Controversial Challenger Final: Uchiha vs Magav

[Uchiha Muss]

Ok so I wanna congratulate myself for my 1st TITLE. Yaaay me!!

The main problem here is my dropshot + net coverage tactic. You don't even have to read the whole post.

Set 1: After asking him to rehost with lower delay (117<<<67) we started our final. I gotta admit I was prepared to lose the match, because his elo has improved so much and i always lose to him and few other guys who are very similar in style. Baseliners. Good ones.
Few things happened, i made mistakes too many orange volley errors. His counter dropshots caught me off guard. I lose the set 6-2. Total domination by him. No chance for me.

Set 2: Nothing changed he broke me once score was 4-2. Up until this point I was volleying quite often with few dropshots here and there. As I said before it didn't work. He ran up the court, did a counter dropshot. I couldn't pass him or win the point. He was just fast as expected. So I tweaked my tactics slightly. When I did dropshot, I backed it up with going to the net and took care of my points. 2 games later 5-3. He's serving for the match. I guess I had some moment of inspiration and broke him back at 30-40 with a passing shot. The match continued, I had one chance to brake him later again but he saved it with an ace. Tie-break began. I won 7-4.

Set 3: I'm guessing all my offensive gestures and what he called cheesy play annoyed him enough. Either his level dropped or I started guessing better. He had no chance. I broke him once when it was 2-2 I think. From then on I just held my serve and finished up the matchpoint with a short slice in 38 shot rally

Conclusion: According to magav everything changed from 4-2 when I started backing up my dropshots with net play.
Up until that point he won like 9 points from my dropshots. I couldn't afford to give away my advantage to him.
------Also he claimed I used at least 10 short slices. I don't agree with that. I only used 1 short slice at the very end in matchpoint. Up until then he used 4 short slices. Since I was very active at the net, I always played closer to the baseline so his short slices didn't trouble me. When I did use short slice it was very short.

Now during the game I was forced to slice a lot. Some of them landed deep some of them were short or average. But I can't do short slice on the run. It's not a defensive shot for me. Just offensive.

I know it sounds like I played a cheesy game, but again I disagree with it. My style is net play and dropshots.
I can confidently say I camped at the net. His style was like everyone else's. He put the ball back in play and his movement allows him to move better than I do. I was never good at baseline rallies. But he operated fro very deep outside the court so that allowed me to freely enter service boxes and punish him.



As you can see, I did many dropshots. He actually came to the net only like 6-7 times. The rest are my dropshots brining him in. I was so active at the net. Almost half of my winners came from the net. I had like 7 smashes as well.


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[C4iLL]

Well, if there was a cheesy behavior from one or another side, a report has to be filled to the host with a demo and it's finished. Loosing after leading 1 set 0 and 5-3 is never funny, I imagine Magav was frustrated.

[Uchiha Muss]

Well, if there was a cheesy behavior from one or another side, a report has to be filled to the host with a demo and it's finished. Loosing after leading 1 set 0 and 5-3 is never funny, I imagine Magav was frustrated.

He was pissed all right. But that's to be expected. I actually don't like when people play dropshot against me.... but yeah I do it myself to others. And it all worked because he played extremely defensively. If he actually hit his shots harder I wouldn't have time to do a good dropshot or be able to go the net so many times. Here are 4 cheesy rules I kinda used:

1.Lob + Net rushing tactics
2.Drop spamming (to be defined though..) / drop shots returns.
3.No drop shot when the opponent is at the net and you are not -- only exception is when the opponent does a Drop + Net Rushing combination.
4.Continually use provocating gestures eg. victory ones especially
after the opponent misses.

1. I didn't ever lob but I did dropshot and net rush.
2. Drop spamming. I'm not sure about this. We had 196 points overall. He came to the net 29 times. Considering I had 4-5 clean dropshot winners. He came to the net 5-6 times. I think i used like 20-22 dropshots. That's like 1 in every 9 point. I don't see problem with it.
3. Ok so this one time, He executed dropshot and covered the net. I went up and did a dropshot while he was there. It happened in 1st set. He just told me he thought it was wrong of me to do that. But now I see he was wrong. But no problem it happened in 1st set, so it didn't change the dynamic of the game.
4. Yeah I used gestures when I won clean winners. It's not like i'm fistbumping when opponent makes error like in real life. But I celebrated important points which for me it seemed I had loads of them.

Basically I just want to say I won this title fairly. Because magav clearly accused me of playing cheesy. I didn't break rules. But he thinks I played cheesy. In real life as well, tennisists backup their net play when they do dropshot. You all watch tennis and i'm sure you've seen it many times. It's not like I'm making up these things. I try to imitate what I watch in tennis.

[MaGav]

Well, Uchiha

3. Ok so this one time, He executed dropshot and covered the net. I went up and did a dropshot while he was there. It happened in 1st set. He just told me he thought it was wrong of me to do that. But now I see he was wrong. But no problem it happened in 1st set, so it didn't change the dynamic of the game.
4. Yeah I used gestures when I won clean winners. It's not like i'm fistbumping when opponent makes error like in real life. But I celebrated important points which for me it seemed I had loads of them.

To be accurate...
1. There was that one situation when you did dropshot while i was at the net BUT NOT AFTER MY DROPSHOT. You did a dropshot, i sliced it back and you did a dropshot once again.
2. Dropshot spamming. I don't know if saving 2 match points with a dropshot is spamming.
3. Also you used many offensive gestures as you claim with no compunction.

I didn't break rules. But he thinks I played cheesy. In real life as well, tennisists backup their net play when they do dropshot. You all watch tennis and i'm sure you've seen it many times. It's not like I'm making up these things. I try to imitate what I watch in tennis.

4. Also you claim you used many dropshot+net rushing points from 2nd and especially 3rd set. Cheesy play means a style which gives you an advantage in TE that you couldn't have in real, it doesn't mean that's not being used in reality. Covering the net after dropshot gives you that advantage.
5. Your last winner with a short slice with first bounce in the half of service box was epic.

Conclusion:
I was leading 6-2 5-2, 2 match points when 5-4, two match points when 6-5. Match lost.
Uchiha beat me with (sorry) so much of luck (situation: 2nd set, 5-4 40-40, he was at the net, i lobbed him, he reached the ball at boundaries of the court and sliced it at my baseline) and change of tactic top drop+net.

Victory by all means

[C4iLL]

Honestly guys, gestures etc it's not really a problem. If I play with Gulbis be ready to have stuff like that I mean, it's part of the game, Nadal, Djokovic Soderling are and were bordeline in their behavior. If everybody would be like Fed, no emotion, it would be boring ! The Dropshots spam I'm against this but it's not funny and at the top level no one really uses that a lot.

Anyway, congratulations for your first challenger title, whatever the luck and the fuss it can be made about. I know what it is to loose without luck, you just have to think about something else once the match is finished, but it's hard sometimes especially when it's the WTF

[Uchiha Muss]

I don't remember that one. The one I remember is you did dropshot, I went up to the net and I did dropshot while you were still at the net. Still my reasoning was that players in real life go up the net and just flick their racket to change direction. It's not a strike but like a very short dropshot like strike. I don't know, it's up to you how that point was played.

You don't know if 2 matchpoints can be saved with dropshot?
I kinda have to remind you from where you were playing. You operated from very far back. Most of the time I saw you behind PARIS writing. I on the other hand always try to play between that writing and baseline. If I played just baseline game you're like a wall. I'd totally be outmatched by you, and you definitely want that. I can see from my camera angle just how far you were. So what did I do? I just created chances for myself by making dropshots. They worked because most of the time I caught you from deep positions and that left you small chances to win the point.
For example just the other day I lost against J Grilo. He's basically carbon copy of you. He doesn't come to the net unless I do dropshot. He beat me easily because his federer played closer to baseline and whatever I tried didn't work against him. But also it was 100ms delay so it restricted the effectiveness of my hyper sensitive volleys and dropshots.

3. I used gestures to try and annoy you. No matter how tough you can be, even small bug will annoy you. So those were deliberate attempts to annoy you and celebrate clean win points as well.

Ok so what I should let you use your advantage? ? ? I'm just playing different and I know online I'm always the one with more net points won. You and similar players just hit and hit from baseline so I change up things.
I've been using this dropshot+net coverage tactic from way before. Another player Fez whole played very similar to you complained about this as well. It's not my fault I keep seeing you deep in the court and not take my chances.

5. Now That is a short slice. I think you don't know how or what it looks like. You just think whatever slice lands short it's a short slice. NO. Short slice is when ball lands inside service box and skids off violently to left or right with side spin effect.

Ok yeah that slice smash was weird. And you said LOL from the chat. I just chased the ball and got lucky because I was fighting for every point. That just happened out of nowhere. I didn't have control of that smash.

P.S. Ok here is one thing I didn't like about your game since you're focusing on unrealistic things. You serve to my body, and get a short ball, you dropshot. How is that even a tactic? If you're more brave, do dropshots during the fast rallies not because of weak return from me.

@C4iLL It's not like I had dropshot festival. He just was too far from the baseline and my dropshot button just itches to be pressed.

[djarvik]

[pidzi]

Nice contribution to the discussion Djarvik, i approve

[djarvik]

Sorry, I started reading and then.....I stopped. Not much time these days.

[VMoe86]

1. This is a warning to Uchiha because of drop shot spam, offending gestures and drop + netrush tactic overuse (in real tennis you can count drop + netrush tactic with two hands over the course of a best of three sets match).

2. Match will not be replayed.

3. This thread is closed with this post.

4. I have the last word.