The Players.

[L Sanchez MD]

Tried Simon, he feels OK to me.

One thing - the Monte Carlo clay court is really bright. It's difficult to see the ball.

Soderling feels a hair on the slow side. I really don't like the feel of him. Never felt safe, aiming for the lines.

I think Dolgo should have a little more power on the FH, perhaps at the expense of some consistency.

I feel like Llodra should have slightly better lob and drop since his strokes are so weak. Also felt like his serve was too inconsistent, but possibly because I'm not used to S&V in this game.


Anyone have tips for S&V in TE? Against Pro 1 AI, I just get my ass handed to me.

[Ugadalou]

Anyone have tips for S&V in TE? Against Pro 1 AI, I just get my ass handed to me.

This game is too realistic-you can't win playing S&V with these returns!

[L Sanchez MD]

Anyone have tips for S&V in TE? Against Pro 1 AI, I just get my ass handed to me.

This game is too realistic-you can't win playing S&V with these returns!

Sometimes I hit a first serve, 195 kph, (staying at the baseline), and the returner hits a clean winner past me...
I think AI returns are probably too aggressive on 1st serves.
On 2nd serves, it's also incredibly aggressive, but more true to real tennis.

I don't recall seeing too many return winners off fast first serves on the ATP. Occasionally... And I only have the AI at Pro 1... I fear the higher levels!

[polca456321]

I think Murrays FH for the most part is sup-par in the Top 4, hell, there are a dozen guys on the tour outside of Top 4 who can hit that shot better. He is consistent off that wing and has a nice spin going, but ask him to hit down the line and ...

I see your point, but I didn't necessarily mean his FH accuracy, indeed his forehand is far from the best ones, but I think he needs more "regularity" (régularité in french and I don't know how it is translated), 85 is high but Murray deserves something like 90, I think.

[djarvik]

I am going to release a little update today. Any more feedback?

[VMoe86]

I'll add impressions of 18 players at some point tonight (CET), next batch on Tuesday or Wednesday (will be away until then). I always played against Federer on Pro 3, Elite/slow. Some heart-breaking losses, especially as Isner: Leading 5-3 in the tie break, should have won that point to go 6-3 with me having two serves, messed it up and couldn't get a good first serve in -- lost 5-7

I also solved a problem with the connection from my PC to router, so that I don't have to worry anymore that the connection suddenly interrupts -- will be up for online test matches next week

[djarvik]

Excellent, I will then wait till your feedback comes in. So far these players will be slightly adjusted:

Ernests Gulbis - slightly better FH and BH precision.

Alexanr Dolgopolov - reworked most stats, added power to FH.

Bernard Tomic - reduced top spin.

Robin Soderling - added a bit of speed.

Roger Federer - reduced serve power and consistency.

Rafael Nadal - reduced serve power and precision.

Gilles Simon - style changed to counter, reduced net presence and smash and lowered the spin.


More little changed to come. I will open up a Test Tournament signup early next week.


@VMoe86 - impressive! I can't beat the damn Pro 3 with Slow-SIM it's always 6-3. Every game is tight, but somehow he always gets it.

[djarvik]

As a Side note, if you would like to have the Latest Roster - just reinstall the ITST Patch. It's small so it will be really fast and it will give you the latest changes.

Once we start the tour, the roster will not change often and all the changes will be announced on the board. But for now, just monitor this thread, once changes are done I'll drop a note here and you can download the latest Roster.

When the tour starts, by pressing F6 while in the game, you will be able to see the other persons unique CRC number. That number will be unique for each player and even a slightest change in any of the stats will cause it to change. For the time being this will be our best way forward to check if your opponent is cheating by changing stats. Once the roster is set - I will create a PDF and a forum Thread containing CRC numbers for all players. You will be able to quickly glance at a players name then number next to it, then start the match.

[djarvik]

Go ahead and re-download ITST patch only. It will have up to date changed.

Version 1.01

[VMoe86]

@VMoe86 - impressive! I can't beat the damn Pro 3 with Slow-SIM it's always 6-3. Every game is tight, but somehow he always gets it.

I can beat one of the Top 4 on Pro 3 with Djokovic or Federer and some other players (Tsonga, del Potro, Fish (!)), but with others some devastating losses or heart-breaking losses. The wins are always close, so the game doesn't ask me to increase difficult -- not yet.

All these impressions below against Federer on Pro 3, Elite/slow, no previews and at US Open. Also before ITST 1.1, but this only effects two of the players listed below.

Gulbis: The power of the forehand is great, as mentioned earlier. Definitely feels right that his groundstrokes are a bit more precise now, but I could hold my own with him pretty well -- until you have that service game in which you cannot hit the corners, no first serve and get broken. Feels spot on if you ask me. He can be overwhelming, but too inconsistent.

Nalbandian: One of my favourite tennis players -- unfortunately lacking a bit in the fitness department. He is a bit slower and less fit compared to the top 4, also has a bit less power and his serve isn't a weapon, but despite this he is still very good. The groundstrokes, especially the backhand and the counter stat, make him good and fun to play with. Moving well, timing the shots well and you are rewarded if you take care of the serve. Usually I have problems on my serve, most service games are a struggle.

Ferrer: Fast, consistent from the baseline and fit -- but so tough to hit winners with him. One really has to be patient, grind out the points and keep on hitting deep, which is possible due to these consistency stats. Not interested in playing as him, but seems ok to me.

Youzhny:Youzhny doesn't have "the weapon", but he does everything well -- good from the baseline and good at serve, solid at the net. Fast enough to defend pretty well. Maybe a bit more power?

Nadal: I don't know, maybe it is me not be using playing as a left-hander or Nadal is really useless at he US Open against Federer -- couldn't play aggressive as him, Federer was returning everything deep, taking my time away. Sounds like what I expect from a real life match between these two at the US Open, so it seems ok, but one could reconsider his top spin stat -- he can flatten his shots out to a certain degree and be successful with it.

Dolgopolov: Agree that he deserves a bit more power, was difficult to hit through Federer that way. Consistency on groundstrokes and serve felt right, stamina also fits him.

Baghdatis: A bit weaker version of Nalbandian, so it is ok.

Ljubicic: Soon to be retired and god damn is he slow! Couldn't get his serve right, so I couldn't do much with him. Maybe replace him with another player (because of the retirement and because I couldn't do anything playing as him )

Tsonga: I didn't get too many free points with the serve (but on Pro 3 the AI already returns great), but the power of the forehand is great. Backhand is also ok. He seems pretty slow and I wouldn't attribute him worse stamina than Dolgopolov, for instance. Otherwise ok.

Isner: H U G E serve, followed by powerful and solid forehand -- got me to a tie break against Federer. Feels right, no need to change anything so far, but his serve could be too good against human opponents.

del Potro: Sick forehand, just sick. Good that it isn't that consistent. Backhand is very good. With his speed stat it is more difficult getting to short slices, which is good. His serve feels right: Powerful, but difficult enough so that you cannot time it perfectly that frequently.

Fish: Still don't know how I managed to win as Fish against Federer, but my forehand was clicking -- quite a few winners off that wing. In other sets it didn't work that well, so the consistency is about right for Fish on that wing. Investing enough time to master the serve, quite a good player. He can also play at the net and his speed is ok.

Cilic: Just like the real life version -- has many good shots, but too inconsistent in the end. The serve is crucial here, although his game doesn't solely depend on it. I really struggled on serve, was difficult.

Roddick: Similar to Isner, but Isner is a bit more inconsistent. On the other hand Isner hits flatter and has overall a bit more power. Roddick can rally and volley better -- ok for the current Roddick.

Llodra: I didn't win a single game against Federer. Difficult, but was also my first experience as S&V in TE 2011. Don't see anyone playing as him -- Federer almost has as good volley stats...

Melzer: Inconsistent power baseliner -- ok.

Kohlschreiber: Doing everything well from the baseline, but not great at anything -- spot on! As long as the player controlling him doesn't spray errors it is up to the opponent to beat him with good play.

Harrison: Weaker version of Roddick, but just played a couple of games as him.

[L Sanchez MD]

If you can't win games against Feds on Pro 3, playing as Llodra, surely something is not right?!

OK, so Roger bagelled Llodra recently, but the 2nd set was closer, I think 7-5 or 7-6?

[djarvik]

I got to 3 games as Llodra!

Basically, need to serve well and SV80%. Maybe he can use a touch of power on strokes, but once that serve click and you move in - he is GOOD!

VMoe86! Great stuff! Fish can be awesome, especially if that FH clicks, I do really well with him, and I don't know why, as stats are less then stellar. It is important to note that some animation have larger sweet spots then others.

Nadal is tricky, that spin makes the ball just sit up for AI, but, play against him, and same spin will drive you NUTS! I think AI is just not affected by spiny shots nearly enough as the real person would.

I had the same thought about Ljubicic. His BH is what keeping me from pulling the trigger, but as soon as he retires - he needs to go. Dimitrov maybe?


Big thanks man, this helps a lot, well done.

[L Sanchez MD]

Yes, Dimitrov!
Although his showing today vs Ferrer was really poor.

[eliomelma]

For latest ITST patch, i must delete old folder named itst patch and install new itst patch, or repeat all the steps another time( original-sam patch-itst patch)?

[djarvik]

"repeat" or "overwrtite".