Coincidence Part II: Fair Play

[djarvik]

I do the same. I was mmmmming at people who use it as a power slice.

Xavi, you are too SIM for your own good!

[Moralspain]

I do the same. I was mmmmming at people who use it as a power slice.

Xavi, you are too SIM for your own good!

i knew it, actually every single shot in the game can be use, all of them are "fair", but like Iluv said I just don't think they should be overused like anything else along those lines
The point is, as always, that when you only care about winning, no matter what, you don't notice all these things, you don't even realize that you're playing in a cheesy way, those guys are like in drugs, are high. So i forgive them .

[VMoe86]

What setup do you use? If you are struggling with returns try to boost your Reflex stat a bit and you should see an improvement. Aside from that timing is really the key... I think power servers really become most dangerous when they mix up their pace because a "too late" return has a too late result regardless of the speed of the serve.

6-6-8 with Bickham at the moment, so I have all stats "orange" except for power which is at 59. The reflex stat should not be a problem. Maybe my timing is a problem, but then it has more to do with the analog stick than the button, because I hit good and perfect returns in that regard most of the time. It's not that one can hit "too soon" or "too late" slice returns and hope they are effective in this way. My top spin returns are deep, but a good power player can put them away most of the time. This only happens when the opponent serves wide - I always have the impression as if my player is stuck for a split second when I have to return these serves and so I cannot run to the open court immediately.

I do the same. I was mmmmming at people who use it as a power slice.

My most hated shot is when my opponent gets a short ball, I expect him to attack that ball and all he does is a power slice of that shot - even worse if it ends up being a winner.

[djarvik]

Alex is a beast man!

I think it is more of your return patterns then anything else. Power baseliners with big serves "supposed" to win majority of their service points in 1-2 punches. I think the key is to withstand the first punch and "control shoot" yourself to a neutral rally.

Returning patterns are same as serving patterns. They can be spotted and exploited. If you keep a good mix of your returns and keep your cool for a few service games, you will actually start seeing progress. Mid court returns with Alex is what I did the most. No angle - means I get my racket to the next shot.

[OuiMr BersonBANNED]

I do the same. I was mmmmming at people who use it as a power slice.

Xavi, you are too SIM for your own good!

i knew it, actually every single shot in the game can be use, all of them are "fair", but like Iluv said I just don't think they should be overused like anything else along those lines
The point is, as always, that when you only care about winning, no matter what, you don't notice all these things, you don't even realize that you're playing in a cheesy way, those guys are like in drugs, are high. So i forgive them .

I think about a very effective and easy solution against the cheese.

I think after every point.
every player should wrote on a paper how many :
-slices
-flat
-top spin
-drop shot
he does on the point.

At the end of the match if :
the rapport of
number of Slices used / number of flat used is the same as
number of drop shot used /number of top spin used.
The game is ok.

Other case, the game is cheesy you should replay a hyper tie-break (20 points) with Eugenie Bouchard against your opponent with using A only and song Baby from Justin bieber on the headset.

[VMoe86]

@djarvik:

I like Alex, that's for sure!

Well, that's what I do usually - I control shot my way into the rally until I get a chance to attack from the baseline or until I can hit a good approach shot. It's not that I lose to these power players with Bickham (I actually find it a lot easier to play against them than with say Rabari).

With the short slice return this works well, but I haven't tried hitting midcourt top spin returns - I will try these the next time I play against such a setup on World Tour or even better on ITST.

The one-two punch is the bread and butter of a power player with high SRV stats, that's for sure and no problem about it.

Return patterns is something I'm aware of, but sometimes I fall into some.

[Indiantonike]

I do the same. I was mmmmming at people who use it as a power slice.

Xavi, you are too SIM for your own good!

i knew it, actually every single shot in the game can be use, all of them are "fair", but like Iluv said I just don't think they should be overused like anything else along those lines
The point is, as always, that when you only care about winning, no matter what, you don't notice all these things, you don't even realize that you're playing in a cheesy way, those guys are like in drugs, are high. So i forgive them .

I think about a very effective and easy solution against the cheese.

I think after every point.
every player should wrote on a paper how many :
-slices
-flat
-top spin
-drop shot
he does on the point.

At the end of the match if :
the rapport of
number of Slices used / number of flat used is the same as
number of drop shot used /number of top spin used.
The game is ok.

Other case, the game is cheesy you should replay a hyper tie-break (20 points) with Eugenie Bouchard against your opponent with using A only and song Baby from Justin bieber on the headset.

What a combo cheesy ! Shame on you ...

[Avinash PatelBANNED]

Hi I agree with berson oui on ths topic.

I return with x because if I hv no xp on my fh or bh my returns will get me killed lol. At least with x I hv chance in a rally (not if I'm plying mr berson lol haha.

I dnt think it's good that peopl Try and ban everything tha is different to classic tsp setup here which is crushing pass shot and instant rocket. Otherwise there vl be no variety
But ban dropshot lol!,
Avi

[edlglide]

My most hated shot is when my opponent gets a short ball, I expect him to attack that ball and all he does is a power slice of that shot - even worse if it ends up being a winner.

I do this by accident sometimes; I hate it. I usually only hit forehand slices when it's an ultra-defensive running shot, but occasionally I'll be expecting a backhand and be prepared to just slice it back and they end up hitting an easy short shot to my forehand instead and I accidentally slice it.

I also accidentally hit slices sometimes when I'm trying to hit a control volley and the game decides to hit a forehand slice for some reason instead -- that's the absolute worst, because it almost always leads to an easy winner for your opponent and it's a nonsense shot.

[Moralspain]

a bit of common sense that's all you need guys, not that difficult, truth is that maybe some of you are too young, i mean i'm 30, like most of the Hosts and managers here btw, but we also have 15-17 years old guys playing the game so i guess it's normal we have different points of view.
We shouldn't have rules and limitations but we have to because there's a lack of common sense when playing at ITST........i don't care what happens with the WT.

[ILuvBillVal]

It really depends on the server I'd say. If you have a power server who can't really hit the lines I rarely, if ever use Slice returns and break quite often. The funny coincidence is that generally I see more people returning my serves (55 rating) with extreme slice than I do theirs (an overall average of the high 70's to low 80's).

It certainly changes a bit when you have a skilled server with a high setup than can and WILL hit the lines. At that point I think it's more feasible to be hitting slice returns.

As for slices in points they've been cheesy for games now. Read any of the past rules. No one has a problem with any other shots (except maybe Julius Jackson and that's neither here nor there) and when guys like Al and Xavi say things like overly used slice is cheesy it means a great deal considering these guys are the epitome of SIM.

[JoshUa8I]

I don't think slice return are cheesy... You know why??? Cause they have more time to return center, but i have more time to decide what shot I have to do... So I don't know if people has a real advantage.

For example i use rarely slice return, only when i really can't return a big server (but always prefer spin return), or when i want to surprise my opponent.

[RainingAmoeba79]

@djarvik:

I like Alex, that's for sure!

Well, that's what I do usually - I control shot my way into the rally until I get a chance to attack from the baseline or until I can hit a good approach shot. It's not that I lose to these power players with Bickham (I actually find it a lot easier to play against them than with say Rabari).

With the short slice return this works well, but I haven't tried hitting midcourt top spin returns - I will try these the next time I play against such a setup on World Tour or even better on ITST.

The one-two punch is the bread and butter of a power player with high SRV stats, that's for sure and no problem about it.

Return patterns is something I'm aware of, but sometimes I fall into some.

I have been loving the same setup as you for some time now, love it so far!

And ya, i do not mind high powers doing the 1-2 punch thing, but I do not like it when they do t Tramline Serving!

[jayl0ve]

I don't really know what's goin on....slices are cheesy? What?? Not that I really care what other people think but I guess I just had to comment, cuz I find it a bit weird.

If any of you want to challenge me to a match with the pro players and try slice returning 'every serve', go ahead. I will frickin destroy you.

[RainingAmoeba79]

I don't really know what's goin on....slices are cheesy? What?? Not that I really care what other people think but I guess I just had to comment, cuz I find it a bit weird.

If any of you want to challenge me to a match with the pro players and try slice returning 'every serve', go ahead. I will frickin destroy you.

Well, we are not as great as you, jaylove....

(end sarcasm )