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Postby Hollaa Itz Mike » Tue, 12 Apr 2011 21:19

There are several people on this site that continue to complain about the way the game is made. I feel that you are going to complain until it is adjusted to where your type of player has an advantage..YES, the TI/MD has a slight advanage right now, but they can be beat....Every game is going to have 1 type of style that might be slightly better. This doesnt mean that it is unbeatable....

people lose 1 match and they instantly start complaining..

give me a break guys, it is nearly impossible to make a completely balanced game....

i want all of you guys to look at the top 10 players on the ATP tour, and t
ell me if this is realistic to you...

1. Nadal
2. Djokovich.
3. Federer
4. Murrary
5. Soderling
6. Ferrer
7. Berdych
8. Verdasco
9. Melzer
10. Monfils

Now do you see any players here who arent very good at the baseline...
i am sorry guys but anyone who plays real tennis would know that a lot of the top players now are baseliners....Whether it be offensive or defensive, idc....

so no, it is not ridiculous that baseliners have a slightly easier time in this game. This game is good and very deep, and i have beat many players who have used this TI/MD......

just because your not good at a game does not mean that it is an unfair game ;)
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Postby beltic caldy » Tue, 12 Apr 2011 22:09

hmmm....i hear you, but as a believer in free speech, opinions should be allowed to be expressed freely also.

the other side to your statement re 'just because people aren't good...' is this - just because someone/people don't like a game/the next 'generation' of a game, isn't necessarily because they aren't good at it....it could be that they just don't like the direction it's taken - in my case it's both - i'm no damn good at it, but i also dislike it so much that i have no interest/desire in putting in the time to get good at it.

forums are places for freedom of expression - perhaps people 'need' to refrain from dictating what people need to do in that context.

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Postby Puttu puttuu » Tue, 12 Apr 2011 22:11

I win and complain... ahaha

We all experience the game differently... you don't see any problems fine.
Let the rest of us complain.
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Postby jayl0ve » Tue, 12 Apr 2011 22:23

It's a disease, Mike. Or Mr. Holla if you prefer.

R. Kelly I don't think he really means people 'need' to as in he's ORDERING them to. It's his opinion that people need to stop complaining so let's talk about free speech when this thread is eventually locked for 'expressing freely' an opinion :P

I agree though, I don't even play this game but these kind of hoebags have been around since TS2, at least in my experience. It gets old, just learn to take a loss and maybe just silently hate the other guy or something ( :lol: ), coming onto the forum and bitching about some guy beating you just makes you look retarded.

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Postby NickZ3535 » Tue, 12 Apr 2011 22:32

Mike don't you use TI/MD? At least you did when I played you.
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Postby Hollaa Itz Mike » Tue, 12 Apr 2011 22:37

Nick I have a character with it and have been using it in the tournament...but I also have other players....

I am just saying althopught there may be an advantage...it is not THAT big....that's all
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Postby ItaStallion » Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:20

yes it is not that much of an advantage at all

i tested out a character against chump101 he used TI/MD i did not and i broke him twice to win 6-3

run them round the court till they go deep and hit a nice short slice or drop shot and they are in a lot of trouble.
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Postby Sherlock 117 » Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:23

And some people are complaining a bit too much about things.

But other people are just saying TI/MD is a little overpowered and needs to be toned down...that's all. I happen to agree. If it gets toned down just a bit then it will make a lot of playing styles viable.

Most people are NOT saying that it is impossible to beat someone with this setup. The argument is that it is much more difficult to beat the SAME person with this setup than with another baseline coach offering different skills. In my opinion this is good enough evidence that the setup needs to be toned down.

ItaStallion wrote:yes it is not that much of an advantage at all

i tested out a character against chump101 he used TI/MD i did not and i broke him twice to win 6-3

run them round the court till they go deep and hit a nice short slice or drop shot and they are in a lot of trouble.


The fact that you beat a player with the setup does not imply the setup is not overpowered. Ask to play the same person with the same guy but a different baseline coach. You will find he is much easier to beat...
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Postby Hawkeye Miihawk » Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:29

@Mike
The style of play of the top ten players on the ATP tour should have nothing to do with TS4. S&V shouldn't be gimped on purpose in the game because it's not effective in real life anymore. You make a tennis game from an "All styles should be balanced" perspective.

Lol, I'm pretty sure I know who all the people you are talking about are :wink:.

There is a difference from complaining just for the sake of it, and wanting something to be improved. When people want something improved, their comments can come off as complaints, but the reason behind their "complaints" is what should be looked at. I do not call this complaining, but rather people trying to discuss what can be done about the current system. You may not like it, just like how I find it hard to believe that people can say TS4 is balanced, but that doesn't automatically mean that they are complaining just for complaining sake. You cannot create real life tennis, you can only try to simulate it as much as possible. Addressing these "complaints" would bring us closer and closer.


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Did you play TS3?
2k has said, and shown so far, that they are willing to patch TS4. We are trying to avoid a TS3 like scenario where there is 1 clear dominant style, which is looking to be the 84fh 84bh 79pw TI/MD setup, with different variations, right now. It can be hard for certain styles to compete when things like stamina, speed, and reflexes are almost unimportant. There are also other things that need addressing as well. This eliminates a lot of strategy and depth that would be present where most of these issues fixed in some way or the other.
If we all just "took a loss" and accepted it, we would give 2k the impression that TS4 plays just like real life and is perfect the way it is. Far from it.
Most people don't mind losing when on equal footing. Some of us feel like lightweights fighting among heavyweights (TI/MD) right now. No matter how hard you try at times, you still lose because of the outright advantage they start out with. These advantages are magnified when people close in skill play together. People come on here sometimes to vent that anger out, but can you blame them? Seeing your opponent with TI/MD can make you feel like you've lost the match even before the first point if you don't have it. Especially when you start facing good players like puttu puttuu, djarvik, baghdad, anil, etc. If they have that setup, and you don't you're chance of losing skyrockets drastically. It gets annoying time after time losing to people you might have beaten had you used that setup yourself, but not all of us want that. This was 1 of the reasons people quit TS3. So we come here to vent. Hopefully 2k can fix as many problems as possible to reduce user "complaints".
Throughout history, if man just sat down and accepted things the way they are we would not be where we are now.

I'm probably the #1 most hated user on here because of complaints. Lol, I'm sure a poll would verify this.

Lol, looking back at that I will say that maybe that was a bit too long jay. Definitely could have been shorter. I go into rant mode everynow and then without even realizing it.
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Postby Coolhand Texas » Wed, 13 Apr 2011 01:15

jayl0ve wrote:It's a disease, Mike. Or Mr. Holla if you prefer.

R. Kelly I don't think he really means people 'need' to as in he's ORDERING them to. It's his opinion that people need to stop complaining so let's talk about free speech when this thread is eventually locked for 'expressing freely' an opinion :P

I agree though, I don't even play this game but these kind of hoebags have been around since TS2, at least in my experience. It gets old, just learn to take a loss and maybe just silently hate the other guy or something ( :lol: ), coming onto the forum and bitching about some guy beating you just makes you look retarded.

'IMO'


you saying R. Kelly just reminded me of Thoia Thoing. :lol: :lol:
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Postby Oscarzero » Wed, 13 Apr 2011 03:40

Point 1: I don't mind these 2 skills being tuned down because the real value of the Chinese coach is the attributes it added rather than the skills it added. TI/MD doesn't really that matter when you are playing against very strong opponents. A "less than perfect"shot warrants you a point loss.

Point 2: That's what happened in VT3 before. Some people argue that Nadal is too powerful. 2 weeks later it's Blake, and then Hewitt, Nalbandian...and finally, after one year, they realise that in fact Federer, Grosjean, Roddick are all very powerful and well-balanced characters. The conclusion is that each character is very well balanced, it's just the difficulties of fully utilising the character that raise those unbalancing arguments. Blake and Hewitt are the easiest, while Federer and Grosjean are the hardest to use.

That's why I find it quite strange when some people saying serve should be tweaked down, and then it's power, and then it's serve, TI/MD...I'm afraid the game is not that "broken", to be honest.
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Postby ItaStallion » Wed, 13 Apr 2011 05:02

Oscarzero wrote:Point 1: I don't mind these 2 skills being tuned down because the real value of the Chinese coach is the attributes it added rather than the skills it added. TI/MD doesn't really that matter when you are playing against very strong opponents. A "less than perfect"shot warrants you a point loss.

Point 2: That's what happened in VT3 before. Some people argue that Nadal is too powerful. 2 weeks later it's Blake, and then Hewitt, Nalbandian...and finally, after one year, they realise that in fact Federer, Grosjean, Roddick are all very powerful and well-balanced characters. The conclusion is that each character is very well balanced, it's just the difficulties of fully utilising the character that raise those unbalancing arguments. Blake and Hewitt are the easiest, while Federer and Grosjean are the hardest to use.

That's why I find it quite strange when some people saying serve should be tweaked down, and then it's power, and then it's serve, TI/MD...I'm afraid the game is not that "broken", to be honest.


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Postby edlglide » Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:36

The only thing I think is really broken in the game is the winner/unforced errors ratio. It should be MUCH easier to hit unforced errors.

Well, that and the movement problems online, but I think a lot of that is just because of lag and there's really not much they can do to fix that.
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Postby crossers » Wed, 13 Apr 2011 08:39

I agree i think to many people are moaning over little things, you can can only have so much updated before it really confuses people who are just beginning to work it out only for it to be changed again,personally i was happy with the game from the beginning and just glad top spin 4 got released,i love how you've got to time the ball and i think it really beats ts3 in every department and i don't know if all that made sense :lol:
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Postby Sherlock 117 » Wed, 13 Apr 2011 12:59

Yeah, I agree crossers about TS4 beating TS3 in (almost) every department (except errors).

In the long run, the best competition games are the ones where the developers fine tune the game after release to properly balance the different characters. I like to use Starcraft II for an example, where even 1 year after release they are still balancing things. I agree with what you guys are saying, however I don't believe in VT3 that the "strongest player" was ever anyone other than Hewitt. If his abilities had been taken down ever so slightly it would have been a perfect balance.
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