L2+R2 Slice after your serve.

[djarvik]

First I want to congratulate Pocho on his win over me. This is my first official loss. Congrats. The tour is getting bigger and this is great!

I'll be honest, this is about Pocho,s play. This is one gripe that I have, the rest of his game is fantastic.


L2+R2 Slice after your serve.
We all know that L2+R2 Slice is a little overpowered in this game. It is hard to handle, but not impossible.

My question to you is:

What do you think about using this slice right after your own serve?

My Opinion.
I don't want to declare it "cheap" or "cheesy". But I find it is just to easy to short slice after every serve. This forces the returner to use constant risk, and L2 risk is not effective enough, so R2 is needed. This makes for some boring game play.

What do you think?

Sound Off!

Be respectful, this is not an accusation thread, this is "concern" of mine.

[SoundfSilence]

I haven't faced that situation yet. For me, I wouldn't mind if it was done from the backhand side, as I think this can happen in real life.

How does the point normally develop after the slice djarvik?

[djarvik]

I haven't faced that situation yet. For me, I wouldn't mind if it was done from the backhand side, as I think this can happen in real life.

How does the point normally develop after the slice djarvik?

That is the problem, it doesn't. As a returner, by the ITST rules, you are forced to stay behind the base line, for a good reason.

Now, the server serves, you return, then the server immediately cuts it off with L2+R2 slice very short. Being you just returned the ball, you are unable to reach that slice....point over. Repeat. The only counter is use R2 on returns, cause I use L2 and it is not enough.

I hope I am explaining this the right way

[coke4]

wow this has really pissed you off hasnt it

[djarvik]

wow this has really pissed you off hasnt it

Not pissed me off, but certainly concerned me. I just don't want all the matches to become a contest of who can short slice better

[ANILTJE]

HUM

Yeah , I remember you used to overuse them yourself against me . But you changed .

I think many things in Ts3 are a bit ...........

But well I decided not to say anything about it.

[djarvik]

HUM

Yeah , I remember you used to overuse them yourself against me . But you changed .

I think many things in Ts3 are a bit ...........

But well I decided not to say anything about it.

Yes, but I rarely if ever used the slice after my own serve, I used to use it to break up a rally. And never constantly.

Anil, if you think I used to "overuse" them, then I just wonder what you would think after playing Pocho. His all game is build around that short slice.



I don't mind the slice in the rally itself, I can handle it, it is tough but it's OK. But right after your own serve....hmm...not a fan.

Also worth noting, and I am sure Pogagna will second that, Risk Slice is so much easier to pull off on PS3.

In fact, after I have mentioned to Pocho that play, we had our second match, which I won, using his tactics. It was boring. But I was determent to prove a point.

[ANILTJE]

You are right.

The short risk slices are stupid. That is after the serve and also the short volleys at the net.

The less I play TS3 the worse I find it. Moan moan moan.

Everything is too easy too pull of. Blah .


Ok enough lol.

I do look forward to the SIM tournament and hopefully there will be a tour, Cause there is no wy I am stepping back in the regular tour.

[ANILTJE]

I played Emate007 today.

He S&V and everytime he would go wide on the deuce side with his serve and I managed to hit a short LT-B cross ,his player just wouldn't react on the ball. This just happened over and over. Ugh .

[Rob ITST]

1. @ Anil: Emate shouldn't let you get away with that. If you can pull of LT+B every time he serves wide then he isn't hitting good enough wide serves, mixing them up enough, or hitting good enough serves up the middle to make you move away from the corner. That return is very tough to deal with as a serve and volleyer, but once you figure a few things out it gets easier.

2. @Djarvik: You used to use the risk slice (maybe it was only LT+X) after your serve. It's a great counter to deep flat returns, which is why I think many people get into the habit of using it. But there are quite a few returns that make them more difficult to pull off, and there are ways to counter them.

3. I played metal2012 yesterday. I had heard about how good his short angled slices are, so I was somewhat ready for them. They are very difficult to attack, but in the end it was what cost him the match.

[djarvik]

2. @Djarvik: You used to use the risk slice (maybe it was only LT+X) after your serve. It's a great counter to deep flat returns, which is why I think many people get into the habit of using it. But there are quite a few returns that make them more difficult to pull off, and there are ways to counter them.

Correct. I used them to defend the hard flat returns, but not to attack. I don't attack with slice after serve. If I expect the the hard flat return I will slice it back.

I have learned to short slice to the point that unless you hit R2 or RT return and hit it good, I won't miss. This is when I stopped doing it. I found it too easy, cheap.

Like I said, I am not against short slices at all! I love to hit it short when someone is 10 feet behind the line but doing in after every serve is boring. I can do it too. And I am afraid I will have to do it against Pocho I am not going to enjoy it however.

Rob, Risk is MUCH easier on PS3, believe you me.

[djarvik]

I played Emate007 today.

He S&V and everytime he would go wide on the deuce side with his serve and I managed to hit a short LT-B cross ,his player just wouldn't react on the ball. This just happened over and over. Ugh .

Emate serving is still sub par, hence that happened. Like Rob said, with good placement and mix, SV is almost guaranteed a Tie break.

I wonder If I should play SV in PS3 hmmm Interesting Idea!

As long as Coke will give me some volley lessons! Where are you Coke!

[ANILTJE]

It was not so much that I was able to pull it off. It was more that he was on the spot just the player refused to react. Buggy.

[Rob ITST]

That could have been due to lag, it can get you after fast serves. Not much of a problem from the baseline, but it freezes you sometimes at the net.

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

i had my last itst match about a opponent ,where play permanently this short slice,like a half dropshoot. i will it not call its cheesy,but .....