TS3 TOUR WITH MIN 50 XP PER ATTRIBUTE???????!!!

[Pogagna]

anil, are u sayin' that people serve too many slice with rt? or that they serve too many slices with no trigger? orboth? or too many rt+lt serves? hell, can't get your point

[ANILTJE]

Too many slice and top spin serves

Like i said in TS2 we kind of had RT-A as the main serve.

[Pogagna]

yeah, but in ts3 a simple rt+button serve is choppy...slice, top or flat it can be returned without moving...at most 1 step. not a big deal...

real slices are rt+lt. well, real serves are rt+lt, actually...or right analog timed damn well.
edit: and yeah, slicing or "topping" your serves is annoying but...i think it actually is part of the game. i usually have (well, not only me, everyone ) 5 or 6 serves directions for both side, and 3 buttons. none of this combinations (rt+lt, naturally) is so lethal, except the outgoing slice, surely it's difficult stuff to return, but varying serve is the key to keep it. even the outgoing slice can be turned into a winner. in sctpt2 sometimes the only way to return a good serve (like a-rod 223 on the line) was guessing the direction. ts3 is a faaair improvement.

[ANILTJE]

Maybe you are right , but I really liked how in TS1 and TS2 hitting a flat serve was considered the main serve and would be great to add that to this tour. With of course changing to slice and top but not only slice and top.

[AMAZING ZIZOU]

I think also it is a bit cheesy but the master of cheese is to move to the tramline and hit an X LT RT serve. Otherwise like i said earlier i think X serve should be allowed but be used very descently(10-20% sounds fine Anil)
As far as the topspin serves are concerned, my opinion is that they're not cheesy when proporly hit from a normal position.
All this to say that finaly serve is important in Top spin which is cool but some types of serving should be regulate.

[ANILTJE]

Ok so that means people agree that flat serves A serve should be the main 1st serve to use and then mix it up here and there but not slice and top spin as your main weapon.

[Rob ITST]

I've found ways to counter all types of servers, even the guys who stand at the sidelines to serve. It's just a matter of picking up on their patterns and finding the right return to use.

The only guys I have trouble returning against are the ones with high stats on serve. They should be hard to return against, and they're usually easy to hold serve against.

And if you limit yourself to only flat serves, you have no chance to serve and volley - even if you have 90 or 100 on serve. I say use whatever serve you want.

[Wrathchild tw]

I only hope that what you're talking about is for a second series that doesn't get involved with the current tour. It's beginning to sound like a real headache just to even play under these rules, and I thought the idea was to have fun.

All of these rules on character development that you would have to verify in the 6 seconds that your opponent's stats are displayed on screen is bad enough.. now we have to be sure we don't use a certain variety of serve more than a set percentage?

As it was said elsewhere, it sounds like people want to ban everything they can't deal with. How about this for a tour. Everyone puts 50 points in each category, no more no less. You serve with A only, and you cannot trouch the triggers during any part of the match. No moving to the net because that might be an advantage to someone that can play better from there, and we don't want anyone to use anything to their advantage do we?

[Mack2300]

I only hope that what you're talking about is for a second series that doesn't get involved with the current tour. It's beginning to sound like a real headache just to even play under these rules, and I thought the idea was to have fun.

All of these rules on character development that you would have to verify in the 6 seconds that your opponent's stats are displayed on screen is bad enough.. now we have to be sure we don't use a certain variety of serve more than a set percentage?

As it was said elsewhere, it sounds like people want to ban everything they can't deal with. How about this for a tour. Everyone puts 50 points in each category, no more no less. You serve with A only, and you cannot trouch the triggers during any part of the match. No moving to the net because that might be an advantage to someone that can play better from there, and we don't want anyone to use anything to their advantage do we?

Hope you make the most of your "walkover" seeming that you moaned your way to get it

[Rob ITST]

I only hope that what you're talking about is for a second series that doesn't get involved with the current tour. It's beginning to sound like a real headache just to even play under these rules, and I thought the idea was to have fun.

All of these rules on character development that you would have to verify in the 6 seconds that your opponent's stats are displayed on screen is bad enough.. now we have to be sure we don't use a certain variety of serve more than a set percentage?

As it was said elsewhere, it sounds like people want to ban everything they can't deal with. How about this for a tour. Everyone puts 50 points in each category, no more no less. You serve with A only, and you cannot trouch the triggers during any part of the match. No moving to the net because that might be an advantage to someone that can play better from there, and we don't want anyone to use anything to their advantage do we?

Agreed. I played some last night and now think anything can be countered. The 100 power/fh/bh setup is probably the easiest to learn to use, but it definitely has it's weaknesses.

It's just like real tennis: Guys like Agassi who have one dimensional games have early success. People like Sampras and Federer have balanced games, but take longer to learn how to use them.

I have trouble breaking serve with my S&V guy. Partly because he is weaker from the baseline, but also because I play half my games at the net. Since I don't spend as much time at the baseline, it's taking me longer to get good at it. At the same time, the players who have the 100 power/fh/bh setup only have to learn to play baseline. They spend all their time there, so naturally they are better at it than me.

[Wrathchild tw]

Hope you make the most of your "walkover" seeming that you moaned your way to get it

Not sure what that has to do with this subject, but since you brought it up. I told you the times I was available and asked when worked for you. You didn't respond to that, instead you waited for me to show up on XBL to play. Remember you need to schedule matches through the PMs here, not on XBL. I might go a week without turning on my 360 if I'm not playing that week. Then on Friday you said you were available on Saturday, but Friday was the deadline for the round.

[ANILTJE]

If you don't like certain 'rules' there is the regular tour so you can do whatever you like ? right? So i don't see a problem
Right now we see what would work for a so called kindda SIM -tour for the TS3 series. Seperate from the regular tour for ITST.

I understand what you are saying and I also see what Rob says with the S&V . I have a S&V guy and without change of serve you can't get a good S&V game.

I just wanted peoples opinion on the serve matter and know if people felt the same. There are no official rules yet, but good to talk about all these options already.

As I said I played my matches for ITST and was so annoyed by the returning someone serve from the tramline for 2 full matches in a row ( i played both on the same day) that i really thought to mention this cause I had no fun playing at all.Regardless if you can or can't exploit or return or so .....

If I am the only one who thinks like this then that's my bad luck but if other people agree then we should try to implement this.

Right now the regular tour is no different (yet) from the matches that are played on xbox-live and for me ITST should very much be different.
There fore it would be great to have the regular tour with setups and things however you want and the (50+ sim etc etc ) for a more tennis like feel to the matches.

Another thing is that serving is still too damn easy in this game so hitting a succesfull slice serve is not really an achievment IMO opinion.Even with only 30 XP points on serve and easy to win matches like that. but fun? I don't know.

[Emil]

I played the demo of ts3, and I think the game looks great.
I am getting the whole game on Monday, and let me know if I should build a player with 50 minimum in all stats, or Hercules...

-Emil

[Pogagna]

buold a guy with 80 power and all 30 and save it on a usb device (i mean, put ts3 data on a usb device) , so that you'll be able to play both with hercules or mr. average whenever u want without going through the entire career. when u'll have the game, u'll understand

[retos1]

After played a lot of matchs against player with 100 on fh-bh-power (yesterday and today I have meet a lot of this), or similiar, I can say they are absolutely not unbeatable... and the rallies are not short and/or boring... But I think also this type of character are easier to play with. They are beatable using their weakness (serve or return or both generally are low on this player so you can handle your serve and take a break on their serve). Anyway I think limit at just one skill at 90 is a good idea for made the tour more accessible