Full Ace new version preview

[jayinspace]

hello, I just got the full version of Full Ace, but I can not connect ... I was told to get the Beta version, I do not know if I ask the question to the good place in the forum, but I would like to have this beta thx

[JasonBourne]

Here is my review on the last update:

Sry it took so long to write this, it has 2 reasons: Firstly, I was enjoying the new camera too much! and second, I was not home so had only my laptop which sucks at recording somehow.

ok, kschoice, I will say this first, you are doing an amazing job. Every update is improving and improving! Keep it up!

Also, this post could be long but don't get overwhelmed. Take your time! I am aware that its not easy.

As always, I am trowing suggestions for you so you can use the ones you agree with.

I also request opinions of other players too so we can come to a consensus.

I will start with the camera because I love it. It is done very well and I enjoy it alot. This change alone tripped the joy of playing the game for me! This is my favorite update till now!

Here I will note some improvement that can happen:

Blocked vision. Basically right now your vision gets blocked by the objects in behind the player in almost all courts (exept for Australian open court, and other courts with the same wall commercials). By making the objects behind invisible could fix this issue. Heres a couple videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBzWzKyNvYs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o5LJAHtRcs

Lob balls. what else can be done is to make the camera track the ball when its out of vision, like when you get lobbed. The ball goes high in the air but you cannot see it because the camera is fixed looking foreward. So making the camera tracking balls could fix it. Heres a video of TE as an example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaygE255gh0

Camera turning. Sometimes the ball goes very wide and it forces me outside of the court, then I cannot see a part of the court anymore. Heres a picture:



If there could be a simple camera turning when going outside the court it would fix it, like the more you go out, the more the camera turns inside the court like in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njs5FH8BGGc

It doesnt have to be super complex, just a bit dynamic. Maybe there could be a slider for sensitivity like how much it should turn ect..

Aperture. It could be interesting to have a slider for a deeper vision. Not that I actually will use it, but maybe other players would. The normal camera already has it, maybe the 3p could have it too.

Some other suggestions:

Balls drop too short. I have the feeling that the balls drop too early at times, this also happens with service which results in very fast short balls which feels unrealistic.

Also, With the soft top spin, you can hit short spinning balls at very fast peace without actually having to risk anything. I think this one can be abusive. I haven't used it much because its not in my interest to play tennis this way, but I have encountered some players who mastered it and use it alot, it can be frustrating because of its unrealistic ball mechanic. Heres a video from a practise session:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_qsELLHwRk

Heres with 3rd p cam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkVA0BFv2k8

The issue with this is, it has almost no risk at all. All you have to do is hold direction down and hit, set and forget.
A way to fix this could be, make it possible to aim further down to make it actually risky. Im not trying to bring up the "aim further" argument again, but this one is different. You said aiming on the line has a risk because it can go out, which is true, but in this situation it has no risk and it will always pass the net and hit that short ball with fast speed.
In real tennis, you cannot aim that short constantly with that speed. You either have to decrease speed and make the ball higher to prevent hitting net, or by hitting a bit deeper.
Or maybe if there is another way to fix it that could be great too.

Net animation bug. I use the net anims to stretch out to the ball. I know its not designed to for it but I find it useful anyway, it also reflects to real life stretching slices on hard balls. They also stretch out to keep ball in to the court.
The problem is, even at net or at baseline(yea I also encountered this at net), sometimes it wont stretch out and the ball will pass you although the distance is close:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBoSKu7WYmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTmKpcy3T0g

And sometimes its not reacting at all. I see the timing bar but no animation. This can be frustrating because it gaves away free points.

Spin balls effect. Spin balls have almost no effect on the opponent, they dont give an accuracy penalty. This makes characters like Nadal useless because Nadal depends alot on his spins.
Fixing this could also make hitting flat shots harder because they are pretty easy to perform right now. I know you said you are gonna look into it so I wrote it here also.

Canceling shots. it could be interesting to be able to cancel a shot when charging for a shot. Sometimes I charge to early on slow balls but I cant do anything about it anymore thus resulting in an error. Maybe pressing the prepare button could cancel it ? Like unpreparing.

Sidespin? I have noticed ball always have sidespin. Is there a reason this mechanic is implemented ? It is more noticable on the slow ball with spin, however, even the flat shot has some side spin. I don't see a reason it should have this.
However, talking about side spin, this could be added as a separate shot style like Nadal does in real life, the banana shot, to hit passing shots at certain situations.

Prep direction. Sometimes, when I prepare to a direction accidently, it doesnt change the other side anymore, like its blocked. This mostly happens when ball is coming towards me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5wPNLU3qaY

Ball size. I think there could be a slider for increasing ball size. Not that the ball is too small atm, its visible, but some courts the lighting in the back can make it less visible. If there would have been an option for ball size, I would make the ball a bit bigger.

Replay black screen. Not that this is a problem or so, but when trying to skip replays (online) it turns black when the other player is still watching. Is it possible if the replay keeps going further until opponent stopped watching instead of a black screen ?

Editor search. A search bar in editor for searching player names would save time for modders instead of scrolling down the whole list.

Again, don't get overwhelmed, I wrote what's on my mind. Take your time, you are on the right track!
Thanks!

[djarvik]

Balls drop too short. I have the feeling that the balls drop too early at times, this also happens with service which results in very fast short balls which feels unrealistic.

Also, With the soft top spin, you can hit short spinning balls at very fast peace without actually having to risk anything. I think this one can be abusive. I haven't used it much because its not in my interest to play tennis this way, but I have encountered some players who mastered it and use it alot, it can be frustrating because of its unrealistic ball mechanic. Heres a video from a practise session:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_qsELLHwRk

Heres with 3rd p cam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkVA0BFv2k8

The issue with this is, it has almost no risk at all. All you have to do is hold direction down and hit, set and forget.
A way to fix this could be, make it possible to aim further down to make it actually risky. Im not trying to bring up the "aim further" argument again, but this one is different. You said aiming on the line has a risk because it can go out, which is true, but in this situation it has no risk and it will always pass the net and hit that short ball with fast speed.
In real tennis, you cannot aim that short constantly with that speed. You either have to decrease speed and make the ball higher to prevent hitting net, or by hitting a bit deeper.
Or maybe if there is another way to fix it that could be great too.

I mostly agree on this.

The clearance on these balls needs to be a good few inches higher, same as the first bounce.

[JasonBourne]

About the latest update, its a great step forward.

Risk shots are very risky so you have to use them wisely, spin balls affect your opponent, double tap shots have good power.. ect.

Now the game is more balanced and footwork pays off.

There are some points I would discuss:

- Double tap spin is too high. The ball flies too high even with low spin (I tested it), and alot of times it can go as high as normal spin. This results in balls flying all over the place. Even when u are balanced properly. I think, the double tap spin should be significantly lower.

- The normal flat shot needs more power and gravity. Right now the normal flat shot is useless and it flies like its on the moon. It needs more gravity and a bit more power too. I think adding a bit (not too much) power and also some spin so it dips back into the court could be interesting.

- The double tap flat shot is great. Very risky and situational which is good, but also lacks a bit of gravity, although its not as much as the normal shot. Making the ball dip earlier in the court could fix it.

I would like to hear more opinions too!

[Tony2512]

Hi,
First: Great! Better than the old FA...

Now: Is there a possibility to implement the showing during game of "Breakball", "Setpoint" and "Matchpoint"?

Maybe with the addition of small balls f.e. 2 balls for double-breakpoint etc...

[kschoice]

Hi,
First: Great! Better than the old FA...

Now: Is there a possibility to implement the showing during game of "Breakball", "Setpoint" and "Matchpoint"?

Maybe with the addition of small balls f.e. 2 balls for double-breakpoint etc...

Thanks !

Yeah it's possible and part of the future plans, but probably won't be possible to have it for the Steam release.

[marcus ferreira]

Hello,

I dont see the players and the stadium in full ace tennis editor. Why not?

Help me

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