ATP 250 's-Hertogenbosch (Topshelf Open)

[inseedious]

It seems to be gonna be a good tourney. However, have you noticed that the Topshelf 2d camera is Halle one? I think this is an error, because I'm watching Topshelf open and the camera is very good, way better than Halle one.

[eliomelma]

It seems to be gonna be a good tourney. However, have you noticed that the Topshelf 2d camera is Halle one? I think this is an error, because I'm watching Topshelf open and the camera is very good, way better than Halle one.

Yes same camera of Halle .

[J. Grilo]

J. Grilo vs. Mikefare (4:6, 7:6 [5], 6:0) | Length in Real-Time: 2:06'00

I expected a hard match, as i saw the close result between mikefare and MichaelD on RG and i was right. He broke me immediately and went with 3:0 in front. He played very well at the first set. Good defensive play and very precise. He made only 8 unforced errors at the first set; including the first 3 games of set 2! Somehow i made a break and had little hope again, but the following serve was a mess. He broke me again and won the 1. set.

After 3 games at the 2. set (2:1 - no breaks), the game freezes. So we had to restart and we made asses to come back to 2:1 again. After he had broke me, i became more and more clueless. I made many unforced errors at this period and lost my faith slowely. I guess on 5:3, he served, i broke him somehow and we got to the tiebreak. It was really close with couple mini-breaks - with a lucky end for me.

The 3 set, i became more safety and he started to make more mistakes. He didn't deserved the zero at the 3. set, because he played very nice before. We had some nice rallies.

Concerning the screenshot: The in-game one was the 2. & 3. set, beginning at 2:1 (all before were asses). The second one under the in-game screen begins with the 1. set and ends at 2:1 on 2. set.

-> The average rally length were about 5.2 or 5.3 at set 2 & 3.



For this reason i will upload 2 .dmo files.

PS: I can agree about the 2D camera - it's Halle.

[Elias]

Well it's Halle cause there weren't probably any good 2d hd TE court for Hertogenbosch available, simply. In this case i use another tournament court as replacement.

If there is some hd tv channel covering this tournament this year someone will probably make a 2D court for it.

[costiiforzaa]

Souraze (Tsonga) def. G.Dimitrov 6/1 6/3

guessing.

[Elias]

just a quick reminder : don't play your Aegon, top shelf, halle etc, matches, on wimbledon (or olympics) courts, the surface physics is not the same, wimbly grass bounces higher.

[eliomelma]

just a quick reminder : don't play your Aegon, top shelf, halle etc, matches, on wimbledon (or olympics) courts, the surface physics is not the same, wimbly grass bounces higher.

Same for Wimbledon ? Do not play on halle, aegon courts?

[VMoe86]

just a quick reminder : don't play your Aegon, top shelf, halle etc, matches, on wimbledon (or olympics) courts, the surface physics is not the same, wimbly grass bounces higher.

Same for Wimbledon ? Do not play on halle, aegon courts?

Yes.

[J. Grilo]

J. Grilo (Federer) vs. Sorauze Tsonga (4:6, 6:1, 7:5) | Length in Real-Time: 2:01'36

Unfortunately, we had some problems with lag couple of times, which costs us some points and nerves. Besides of that, the 1. set went pretty fast away, without big moments. We were pretty sovereign in our services, so break points were rarely. At 5:4 he broke me and won the set. He was the better player (while moving) at the 1. set. The reason, why it ends closely 6:4 is, because i had much asses there, so it was easy to keep my serve for a while.

The 2. set were on my side. His serve became little weaker with only 49% 1. services, so i could aquire many break points and broke him 2 times. But it was a relatively long set with 20min.

The last set were closer again, we were on the same level. He broke my serve and went 2:0 in front, but fortunately i made a re-break immediately. On 5:5 i broke him again, so i had only to bring my serve at home. But he had 1 (or 2) break points to, so it was really close.

Highlights: The only highlight i remember right now is the second last point of the match (6:5 - Deuce [i think it was the 2. Deuce after his break point; There were 2 netcords].

[inseedious]

pdzi won the final vs me 6-3 6-1.

I expected it because he's on his best form now and he maybe has a lot of time to train every day and improve day by day. The match was a bit closer than what the score tells, and we both played a good tennis with a huge amount of winners. Despite that, I'm a bit frustrated about this match, because a huge amount of his points came from double bounces or shots on the deep line.

Of course it's caused by the problems the game has with speeds (a player should be able to run faster when running forward), and this is accentuated by both grass and the overall low Fish's reach on bh. pidzi won because he was defending and especially returning way better than me, while I came more times to the net and took some more risks but didn't hurt him during his service games.

He surely deserved to win this match, and probably he would have won even without that "help" from deep counters and double bounces, but I hope that those short shots won't be the key to win at Wimbledon, because it's really unrealistic. It's like short slicing on clay. I understand that grass means fast and low balls, and that double bounces happen more often there than on other surfaces, but I think that actively looking for some short trajectories (even by intentionally hitting normal accels with bad positioning) is similar to short slicing. In fact, it gives you a sudden winner or an advantage in the point, being able to aim to the open court or to hit a wrong-foot winner. There's a problem in oblique movements and overall in forward runs and all know it. Just try to avoid short shots spamming.

I'm not talking to pidzi, because I didn't feel to have lost just because of that shots, he deserved to win as I said before, but I'm talking to all, because I've seen this tactic lots of times during my online friendly matches. I'd like to know what do you think about it, it would help a lot.

[costiiforzaa]

pdzi won the final vs me 6-3 6-1.

I expected it because he's on his best form now and he maybe has a lot of time to train every day and improve day by day. The match was a bit closer than what the score tells, and we both played a good tennis with a huge amount of winners. Despite that, I'm a bit frustrated about this match, because a huge amount of his points came from double bounces or shots on the deep line.

Of course it's caused by the problems the game has with speeds (a player should be able to run faster when running forward), and this is accentuated by both grass and the overall low Fish's reach on bh. pidzi won because he was defending and especially returning way better than me, while I came more times to the net and took some more risks but didn't hurt him during his service games.

He surely deserved to win this match, and probably he would have won even without that "help" from deep counters and double bounces, but I hope that those short shots won't be the key to win at Wimbledon, because it's really unrealistic. It's like short slicing on clay. I understand that grass means fast and low balls, and that double bounces happen more often there than on other surfaces, but I think that actively looking for some short trajectories (even by intentionally hitting normal accels with bad positioning) is similar to short slicing. In fact, it gives you a sudden winner or an advantage in the point, being able to aim to the open court or to hit a wrong-foot winner. There's a problem in oblique movements and overall in forward runs and all know it. Just try to avoid short shots spamming.

I'm not talking to pidzi, because I didn't feel to have lost just because of that shots, he deserved to win as I said before, but I'm talking to all, because I've seen this tactic lots of times during my online friendly matches. I'd like to know what do you think about it, it would help a lot.

Me too do not like this short balls. Because they are giving like you say advantage or they bounce twice. About the balls on the baseline, well they are not such a trouble if you move quickly back. I think it is everything in the camera option.

[inseedious]

Deep balls were not the main problem, I can counter them and using top spin shots is a safe way to return them, but they erase the advantage you had in the point when you're attcking.

[costiiforzaa]

Deep balls were not the main problem, I can counter them and using top spin shots is a safe way to return them, but they erase the advantage you had in the point when you're attcking.

The most annoying thing is that you know that you opponent can't hit them(short balls(without using short slice and shots on the baseline) intentionally. It is something like luck.

[eliomelma]

Damn! I have pidzi in First Round of Wimbledon