Winston-Salem 2012

[AmazOuz]

Hi guys,
The draws are released !
Manage your matchs and play them for report the result !
Hey, who gave me a walkover against gabla or galba (pfff, i forgot )
Have Fun !

[VMoe86]

galpa shouldn't be even in the draw, I deleted him. It's that player from Argentina who has been banned several times and keeps on creating new accounts. Maybe he signed up again for Winston-Salem, but I did not validate it. Now he is banned again, so you got a walkover.

Just saw this: "The newest registered user is Galpa123".

[C4iLL]

Nice first victory Amaz, congratulations
edit : Ary vs Dimitrov at first round gonna be a nice match ^^

[AmazOuz]

Polca, answer me in the PM next time.
When can you play ?

[AmazOuz]

Polca, i am not sure to play at 25 auguest, i can play in 15 min (because i'm uploading a video of my mod)

[eliomelma]

just won 6-7 6-4 6-4 against Perfect Ace. Was i real hard match and my opponent have a great level now! In the whole match i had many break points but didn't convert because my opponent had a great serve. i would say one thing but before i say that Perfect Ace is a great fairplay man and i follow it as a mate from his first steps on Tennis elbow ITST. So my words aren't to attack him but only for open a discussion about one that for me and for other players (inseedious talks about this http://www.intertopspintour.net/forum/v ... hp?t=16863)is a not correct tactic: make a drop shot and follow this at net. So Perfect Ace makes this only 3 times in tha match but one of this was on 5-5 i tiebreak and won tha points. I am sure at 100% that he don't know this and after talking about this at end of match he told me that he never read something about and he doesn't consider a not correct tactic. so we decide to open a post about this. in TE online, all the players makes this in impostant points, so i consider not correct as other not written rules as serve from very wide position.
So follow us in new post and give your opinion

[VMoe86]

is a not correct tactic: make a drop shot and follow this at net. So Perfect Ace makes this only 3 times in tha match but one of this was on 5-5 i tiebreak and won tha points.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq33L8K2mVs

It is in particular a good tactic against those standing very far behind the baseline. There is always a difference between using and abusing a tactic. If one does it three times in the whole match, does not matter whether it is a key moment or not, it is fine with me. It's not like tram line serving, which no one does in real tennis (although it is not forbidden there to do).

[PerfectAce]

is a not correct tactic: make a drop shot and follow this at net. So Perfect Ace makes this only 3 times in tha match but one of this was on 5-5 i tiebreak and won tha points.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq33L8K2mVs

It is in particular a good tactic against those standing very far behind the baseline. There is always a difference between using and abusing a tactic. If one does it three times in the whole match, does not matter whether it is a key moment or not, it is fine with me. It's not like tram line serving, which no one does in real tennis (although it is not forbidden there to do).

That´s exaclty what I told him. And this is a real tennis strategy. I just did that when I was in attack and he was in defense. Never thought that he would consider it cheesy.

Anyway, I think this is a good discussion to have with the community. I will open a post about the subject.

[Algo4]

I see nothing wrong with that, is actually often used in real life to make a drop shot (and/or short slice) as an approach to the net.
As long as the player don't abuse

[Elias]

It's a pretty common tactic to take the net after a drop shot in real tennis in my opinion. what would be wrong would be lob & net rush tactics wich is barely never used in real tennis.

that said we also have to consider if this can be exploited in game / too easy and as Vmoe said should not be abused then. Still such tactic will prolly lead to some quick volley sharing at the net wich won't always be in the "dropper" favor i guess.

[PerfectAce]

just won 6-7 6-4 6-4 against Perfect Ace. Was i real hard match and my opponent have a great level now! In the whole match i had many break points but didn't convert because my opponent had a great serve. i would say one thing but before i say that Perfect Ace is a great fairplay man and i follow it as a mate from his first steps on Tennis elbow ITST. So my words aren't to attack him but only for open a discussion about one that for me and for other players (inseedious talks about this http://www.intertopspintour.net/forum/v ... hp?t=16863)is a not correct tactic: make a drop shot and follow this at net. So Perfect Ace makes this only 3 times in tha match but one of this was on 5-5 i tiebreak and won tha points. I am sure at 100% that he don't know this and after talking about this at end of match he told me that he never read something about and he doesn't consider a not correct tactic. so we decide to open a post about this. in TE online, all the players makes this in impostant points, so i consider not correct as other not written rules as serve from very wide position.
So follow us in new post and give your opinion

Anyway, it was a very good match. Elio raised his level a lot in 2nd and 3rd set. He was pressing a lot my 2nd serves, and he served amazingly well. Congratulations and good luck in the rest of the tournament.

[eliomelma]

I see nothing wrong with that, is actually often used in real life to make a drop shot (and/or short slice) as an approach to the net.
As long as the player don't abuse

Mmm, i don't think that we can compare real tennis with tennis game . You say that in real tennis it is usual and so we can do the same in Tennis Elbow. But in real tennis you can serve in very wide position but if you do this in Tennis Elbow or Top spin, you take an advantage, so it was a no-written rule don't serve from wide position.so you can't compare real tennis and Tennis Elbow. In my experience i played against vanilla online players(as inseedious written) and on important points they do this tactic and against very strong opponents i did't do anything to esacape to this.why on important points they play with this tecnique? Maybe it is hard to return.... But if bigger part of yours says that isn't "cheesy" i agree because i know that you can do everything in good way
Last thing, i don't like read "you can do it but don't abuso with it". Why? If one abuse could win ? And if one make it only for save match point? As in Vanilla game? Wrong, the topic isn't the numbers of rallies with this tactic, but if you use it to win an important point. So discussion are opened

[inseedious]

Elio i was talking about just drops, not drop+volley (that one was lob+volley).
However i think it's a bit cheese to drop more than 4 times a set (if the set ends 7-6, maybe 6-7 can be acceptable), but i also think that if someone uses a lot of dropshots, they will become easy to read and counter. But it can be annoying to see like 10 drops every set, especially if you usually stand behind the baseline, because running straightward is slower than running widely and it can be an exploit.
If it becomes a sure points, i think it is cheese (as elio said it can be used just on break points, etc.), but i think that we can master a tactic in order to counter this.
For example, counter-dropping or lobbing is a good tactic.

[djarvik]

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[eliomelma]

Elio i was talking about just drops, not drop+volley

I met a 1950 ELO ranked player who faced all my 2 match points with dropshots + net rushing, and then won thanks of a break won with dropshots and unnecessary lobs.

Inseedious these are your words, you are talking about this, no?