And now, what about regular tour ?

[Indiantonike]

Hi

SIM tour just arrived with a lot of rules because it supposed to be stricter than the regular, and be played with char closer (i don't know if it's the good word ...).

Since the begining, RT had some changes: some coachs are no longer allowed and the cheesy statement.

But nothing about the cheap setup (100VOL, 100POW, 100SPE) who makes a match really annoying and funless (I know it's not just my point of view).

Here are the new "technicals" rules of the SIM tour:

The Rules:
- All cheese from regular tour applies
- SIM-Cheese includes 0-power serves and FH power slices and may expand
- Players are to move all the way to the middle when serving beginning of each set

What do you think about adding theses rules to the regular tour ? If it's cheesy for the SIM tour, it's cheesy for the regular.

Regular have to be different from the SIM tour, but it must not be a "dustbin" where the win is more important than the fun.

At last, on the SIM tour we have to select a character before the draw. I think it's a good idea, and we could avoid people playing a char to counter the opponent !

Am I the only one to have this point of view ?

I probably don't choose the good words, but I hope you get what I meant

[farshad]

Yeah, im on the same boat...
I was actually worried that with the start of SIM tour, Reg tour will become free for cheaters/cheesers.

[I_Zooloo_I]

I agree with you, i love both tours but got frustrated on many matchs cause ppl either cheese, or play at the very limit of cheesyness. (desperate dropshots on important points, power slice spam on both wings, serving as close as possible to tramline but not 100%, so you cant say anything... )

And you can't complain about it since there are no strict rule about those tactics, even though they are said to be lame on itst forums and everybody seems to agree. - i dont think i ve ever read a post saying those methods are fair and skillfull.

I have also been pm'ed by several players who decided to retire because they have no fun anymore on the regular tour, either because of cheese, or because of some setups. all of those were of course very fair players who always improved their tactics in the fair direction. (kifkaka, tigerofintegrity...)

It looks like the itst spirit is fading on the regular tour, and i suppose all the good old guys who enjoy itst as a place dedicated to fun and fair play want to keep it clean, so speak up guys, give your opinion !

Mine is, we should have a few extra rules, and maybe a stats limitation.

[PerfectAce]

I agree with you, i love both tours but got frustrated on many matchs cause ppl either cheese, or play at the very limit of cheesyness. (desperate dropshots on important points, power slice spam on both wings, serving as close as possible to tramline but not 100%, so you cant say anything... )

And you can't complain about it since there are no strict rule about those tactics, even though they are said to be lame on itst forums and everybody seems to agree. - i dont think i ve ever read a post saying those methods are fair and skillfull.

I have also been pm'ed by several players who decided to retire because they have no fun anymore on the regular tour, either because of cheese, or because of some setups. all of those were of course very fair players who always improved their tactics in the fair direction. (kifkaka, tigerofintegrity...)

It looks like the itst spirit is fading on the regular tour, and i suppose all the good old guys who enjoy itst as a place dedicated to fun and fair play want to keep it clean, so speak up guys, give your opinion !

Mine is, we should have a few extra rules, and maybe a stats limitation.

Agree...

[FF94_NL]

I like the regular tour a lot. I think it's a good idea to limit stat till 90. because i hate players who use the overpowered players with 98 serve and 98 volley or 98 power.

[pyid]

Mine is, we should have a few extra rules, and maybe a stats limitation.

I agree with this.

[I_Zooloo_I]

the problem with stats limitation is we will loose even more variety on the tour.

what about a rule where everybody must have at least 2 in every game style? (2/2/2) it would kill some of the considered OP setups without leading everyone to IR/CPS. and it would also make all-rounder setups less under-powered.

[RainingAmoeba79]

the problem with stats limitation is we will loose even more variety on the tour.

what about a rule where everybody must have at least 2 in every game style? (2/2/2) it would kill some of the considered OP setups without leading everyone to IR/CPS. and it would also make all-rounder setups less under-powered.

Totally agree, but I think that right now the management is more concerned about making SIm fair, and then will move on to regular tour.

Also, I do not like the 90 rule, because then
Welch will dominate.

[Indiantonike]

Yep, a 90 limit will increase the power of Rabari/Welch, so we'll have an issue again.

But I like Zooloo's idea !

[Ex_storma]

What about using only silver coaches? are they easy to identify? have all silver coaches only on skill?

[farshad]

No,silver coaches aint good for reg tour, we already have SIM which is made for better skills, not better setups.
I think what zooloo said is a good idea, not sure but i think as a first tought, its a very good idea. it will stop players from having huge unreal setups.
but stupid setups aside, the bigger problem is cheeseness of playing for some players who over use shots or use dirty ways to win and they are rude enough to say after the match " this is how i play " i think ITST must show some strict rules for reg tour cause if NOT, its gonna be like WT no2.
Existance of sim shoudnt become an excuse for players to ruin the fun on reg tour with the cheesy stuff. i see the day that someone win with cheese and they say if you are upset about it, go play sim tour! this must not happen.

[FF94_NL]

the problem with stats limitation is we will loose even more variety on the tour.

what about a rule where everybody must have at least 2 in every game style? (2/2/2) it would kill some of the considered OP setups without leading everyone to IR/CPS. and it would also make all-rounder setups less under-powered.

Totally agree, but I think that right now the management is more concerned about making SIm fair, and then will move on to regular tour.

Also, I do not like the 90 rule, because then
Welch will dominate.

yeah i tottaly agree with this. you're right if we limit till 90 welch and rabari wil dominate. but i like the idea to put at every game style at least 2 lvl's (2/2/2).
and also some rules about dropshots and serving. i think that serving from the middle is a good idea ( just like in the sim tour)

i hope people agree with me about this and that we'll have a nice regular tour without fake setups and cheesy play!

[djarvik]

There is no way to see levels of opponent in Player Matches.

[Ex_storma]

That is true. I like the idea of serving from middle from set start Like in sim. What is the biggest problems with only allowing silver coaches?

[RainingAmoeba79]

There is no way to see levels of opponent in Player Matches.

True, but maybe in the tourney draw you have to post you chars makeup, s you can check the stats?