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Postby Tuurbine » Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:40

Painted Crystal wrote:
LokiSharpShootr wrote:
Unfair coach for me mean that you can win even if you're not good like your opponent.


I play 91/81 wings ur saying i didnt deserved my wins?


Do not feel offended please. I'm talking about the philosophy of ITST. When I play against 10 members who have the same setup I think there is something wrong. There are not players with 91 81 in the world but this is a game
I would like to ITST members were intelligent enough to create without rules, setup more real, as in Sim tour
Play as you like, you're good, your results speak for themselves but I think 91 81 will give, often, angles and depths that do not deserve
I speak of the philosophy of games and sports, the setup I am interested in relatively
Win, win and win, this is important now
Not for me this philosophy


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Thats the reason rumor says there is going to be a SIM tour, for more SIM setups. Anything other than that will belong to the normal tour, I think its very simple.

And by the way, I use welch, anything to say? 8)
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Postby Painted Crystal » Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:51

Tuurbine wrote:
Painted Crystal wrote:
LokiSharpShootr wrote:
Unfair coach for me mean that you can win even if you're not good like your opponent.


I play 91/81 wings ur saying i didnt deserved my wins?


Do not feel offended please. I'm talking about the philosophy of ITST. When I play against 10 members who have the same setup I think there is something wrong. There are not players with 91 81 in the world but this is a game
I would like to ITST members were intelligent enough to create without rules, setup more real, as in Sim tour
Play as you like, you're good, your results speak for themselves but I think 91 81 will give, often, angles and depths that do not deserve
I speak of the philosophy of games and sports, the setup I am interested in relatively
Win, win and win, this is important now
Not for me this philosophy


Painted Crystal

Thats the reason rumor says there is going to be a SIM tour, for more SIM setups. Anything other than that will belong to the normal tour, I think its very simple.

And by the way, I use welch, anything to say? 8)


And 'that's the problem Loki, the frustration leads to build players totally unreal to play against absurd setup. I do not want a setup unreal, I prefer staying true to my thoughts infact i looose many matches (but im a noob). Therefore the WT sucks, ITST is becoming like the WT

Why everyone is waiting for the patch and no one decides to make a patch to your brain?
Should stress that I can feel every time I have a meeting because I lose points scored by players with incredible angles FH BH 90 90 or suffer from absurd sv players who go to net and press the button at random?
ITST would be much better if all members would use the brain and not the problems of this game to win

Tuurbine use Welch, no problem. You've my benediction :D

SIM tour is the solution? I really do not think ..Brainstorming is the solution
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Re: Whats happen in ITST??

Postby C4iLL » Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:40

Painted Crystal wrote:I can well understand the big players (Joker, Holla, Dapery and others) who, unfortunately, I no longer see in tournaments


I don't know you, but I don't think you really know why they don't play currently... There are more chances that they have stopped temporarly for other reasons like lack of time, summer holliday, or anything else, rather than because of the coaches...

For instance : except Joker, no one still plays on the world tour. So it's not an ITST problem, it's just that they get borring of the game or don't have time to play...

On the other hand, how many good players continue to play since the begining ? A lot more than these few guys... And how many have joined ? The tournaments are not empty too... So there's no reason to be worried.

And to conclude, peoples like Joker or David (winner of Wimbledon on Xbox) look like they're just interested by grand slam.
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Re: Whats happen in ITST??

Postby Painted Crystal » Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:02

C4iLL wrote:
Painted Crystal wrote:I can well understand the big players (Joker, Holla, Dapery and others) who, unfortunately, I no longer see in tournaments


I don't know you, but I don't think you really know why they don't play currently... There are more chances that they have stopped temporarly for other reasons like lack of time, summer holliday, or anything else, rather than because of the coaches...

For instance : except Joker, no one still plays on the world tour. So it's not an ITST problem, it's just that they get borring of the game or don't have time to play...

On the other hand, how many good players continue to play since the begining ? A lot more than these few guys... And how many have joined ? The tournaments are not empty too... So there's no reason to be worried.

And to conclude, peoples like Joker or David (winner of Wimbledon on Xbox) look like they're just interested by grand slam.


Ok, but this point is secondary in my post and Im sure you understood it C4AiLL...
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Postby Julius Jackson » Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:18

TS4 cannot be played using a sim style with level 20s. all this debate about coaches /setups is ptless.

the closest thing to sim is a level 10 with a bronze coach but ive only read 1-2 people suggest that. are there gradations of "simness" depending on the coach? perhaps. but no coach is close to sim because the gms mechanics are completely ****. so whats the pt in complaining about which coach someone uses?
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Postby safe_as_milk_ » Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:20

Everything's just going around in circles... can't we either just enjoy playing or stop playing?
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Postby Painted Crystal » Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:37

dr_burt_reynolds wrote:Everything's just going around in circles... can't we either just enjoy playing or stop playing?


This is a forum man..
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Re: Whats happen in ITST??

Postby C4iLL » Thu, 25 Aug 2011 22:07

Painted Crystal wrote:
C4iLL wrote:
Painted Crystal wrote:I can well understand the big players (Joker, Holla, Dapery and others) who, unfortunately, I no longer see in tournaments


I don't know you, but I don't think you really know why they don't play currently... There are more chances that they have stopped temporarly for other reasons like lack of time, summer holliday, or anything else, rather than because of the coaches...

For instance : except Joker, no one still plays on the world tour. So it's not an ITST problem, it's just that they get borring of the game or don't have time to play...

On the other hand, how many good players continue to play since the begining ? A lot more than these few guys... And how many have joined ? The tournaments are not empty too... So there's no reason to be worried.

And to conclude, peoples like Joker or David (winner of Wimbledon on Xbox) look like they're just interested by grand slam.


Ok, but this point is secondary in my post and Im sure you understood it C4AiLL...


Yes it's secondary, but a big part of your argumentation is based on that false observation (you give credit to your agumentation with that example) so I though it was necessary to point out the fact that this is untrue.

I don't know if what you say about the coaches is true or untrue, but about these players, I don't feel that they stopped because of the coaches : if it was the case they would have posted something about that.
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Postby safe_as_milk_ » Thu, 25 Aug 2011 22:15

Painted Crystal wrote:
dr_burt_reynolds wrote:Everything's just going around in circles... can't we either just enjoy playing or stop playing?


This is a forum man..


I know, I didn't mean to sound harsh, it's good to debate these things and i've chipped in myself, but in virtually every thread ends up with just the same things being said over and over again. It seems like unless you're using some form of all-rounder, no matter what setup you use, there's gonna be someone here who thinks its cheesy and frowns upon it... There's a whole tier of coaches who are that little bit stronger than most but I can't see any evidence of any one of them being head and shoulders stronger than the others. There can be no end to this bickering because different people are complaining about different coaches... so if you get rid of any one of the top tier, you'd have to get rid of all of them. The sim tour will do just that and then some, so problem solved.
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Re: Whats happen in ITST??

Postby Painted Crystal » Thu, 25 Aug 2011 22:43

C4iLL wrote:
a big part of your argumentation is based on that false observation (you give credit to your agumentation with that example) so I though it was necessary to point out the fact that this is untrue.


What are you saying C4iLL?? I dont need credit to express my opinion. My opinion is my opinion
It 's so hard to understand what I mean without searching a wrong phrase in my post?

in the last 3 weeks some very good players have left the circuit for the same reason and said they will return only if the SIMtour. It seems to me that I can cite an example that if you allow me

However, I expressed an opinion and it seems sensible, if you want to tell me that the spirit of ITST at this time is good then you have an experience different from mine, or simply have different ideas on how to compete with fantasy and intelligence

We can stop this thread if you, only, search a bug in every my phrase and dont focalise attention on my real thought

Hi men, thanks for your answers and enjoy yourself

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Postby djarvik » Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:09

@Painted Crystal
I understand what you say. Very clear. You not here long enough, so let me break it down a bit for you. Lets see if you can figure out at which stage we are right now. :wink:

1. New game announcement
Everyone is happy and friendly. We cheer and patiently await the arrival of the "next big thing". By that time, only our core members hang round, as previous version of the game is quite old and only the true fans remain. Most cheeses where either banned or got bored. Peaceful times.

2. New Game arrives
Mixed reviews, but usually positive as the "novelty" of the game will likely outshine all the immediately visible shortcomings. Things are still friendly around the forums and the newly started tour. Players say "gg" after the match and avoid complaining about stuff, they actually try to learn to play and become better.

3. Novelty wears off
Forums take the turn for the worse. Now that the game's appeal starting to wear off on some, on most, they explode one by one on the forum, making threads about different things they feel are over powered or lame or cheese. Most threads WILL get personal and eventually get locked. Then players turn onto hosts, they are the evil ones for some reason.

4. Everything can be countered!
The mentality of these times and players are that there is no agreement on what is cheese and what is not. Constant arguing on the board, about all and everything. Some players leave cause they get bored of the game, some leave out of frustration, some retire only to come back days later and retire next week. There is a group of players that found a niche in the game and trying to protect it by all means, preaching Everything can be countered! mentality. They are not wrong, but they are still just "driving through", this is a pit stop for them and eventually, they will leave.

5. SIM tour comes
In the midst of all the frustration, complaining, retiring, fighting.....the SIM tour quietly being announced. Players that have stopped playing on the regular tour return to give it shot, to see if this will work and if this will be fun. SIM tour is not for everyone, the restriction will put off a lot of players, but, it will attract the top players. The kind of top players that are veterans here, or the newcomers with the right state of mind.

6. SIM tour helping Regular tour
Within weeks of SIM tour running, things become very clear on what is cheese and what is not. There is once again an understanding on the forums and community. There are no more questions or posts about what is cheese and what is not. Things are clear again, the last revisions of rules (if needed) are done on the regular tour, these will be the last ones, no questions any more. By this time the game is played enough to clearly identify the needed rules. Nothing else can be done to enhance experience (not counting illegal substance)

7. Hopefully about 1 year of "Golden Age"
Best time to be a member! Most players who were passing by are gone. Most cheesers and cheaters are banned. There are tours for everyone's taste. Forums are peaceful again and players are actually talking about Tennis, you know, the actual sport. If you are here and playing at this time - you are a part of core ITST member base.

Back to 1. Its a cycle that is happening with every game and will repeat itself.
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Postby Tuurbine » Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:09

Al you should make an sticky out of your cycles post :D
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Postby Painted Crystal » Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:35

Thanks Djarvik
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Postby RainingAmoeba79 » Fri, 26 Aug 2011 01:07

Hey Painted Crystal I actually use an all rounder with bickham.........It is notlike I am more "noble" than anyone, as you seem to be thinking......besides, i can not blame ppl for getting frustrated and using more popular setups.......You are not the only fair player, using welch with 90 FH and BH is not cheesy, if he beats you with that setup, he is better than you. Done. Either start getting better and winning or quietly wait for the sim tour :roll:
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Postby Painted Crystal » Fri, 26 Aug 2011 01:40

RainingAmoeba79 wrote:Hey Painted Crystal I actually use an all rounder with bickham.........It is notlike I am more "noble" than anyone, as you seem to be thinking......besides, i can not blame ppl for getting frustrated and using more popular setups.......You are not the only fair player, using welch with 90 FH and BH is not cheesy, if he beats you with that setup, he is better than you. Done. Either start getting better and winning or quietly wait for the sim tour :roll:


I never said some trainer or ITST member is unfair or cheesy
I never said im fair and the other are not and yes, i think a more balanced player like yours needs more brain, so he's more noble for me

You said : " if he beats you with that setup, he is better than you"
Is not clear this is not my problem ?
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