Coincidence Part II: Fair Play

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Coincidence Part II: Fair Play

Postby ILuvBillVal » Tue, 09 Aug 2011 08:46

This thread was inspired by Tuurbine's thread and his kind, and generally true words. However, I've noticed something playing on World Tour that I've never seen before in such a number of ITST members simply playing cheesy and quite unfairly. Then I realized, there are a few big things missing from "The List." So my hope is that new players just simply don't know this...

SLICING:
It was a huge problem in the previous game and it remains such. It's actually perhaps even worse in this game because you are limited to such few controls and the movement is so stiff. Because it is an overpowered shot it should only be used in defensive situations sparingly, with very few exceptions.

Even worse than normal slicing I've found in this game is returning with slice. This has to go right to the top of cheesy shots in the game. From what I've seen it's basically the returner's version of a Zero-Power Serve. Now, I realize that there are some applications of it especially when you're against an overpowered server constantly going out wide. Even then, however its use should be very limited because the objective of the game is to "win with skill and sportsmanship" rather than "win at all costs."

Don't be afraid to report unfair play in matches as well. It's the only way to filter out the bad. If it's getting bad, start keeping track on a tally sheet the drops both you and your opponent use, or the slices, or the slice returns. Report your match in great detail so the staff gather a clear understanding of how everyone plays!

Good luck to you all, and play fair! :-)
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Postby RainingAmoeba79 » Tue, 09 Aug 2011 14:05

Although I do not find slicing cheting, forehand slices sometimes make me go :o
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Postby PerfectAce » Tue, 09 Aug 2011 15:16

RainingAmoeba79 wrote:Although I do not find slicing cheting, forehand slices sometimes make me go :o


Agree. It all dependes the way you use it. I´ve played some matches with Liseth Aguilar coach, and she has the Slice Invasion. The majority of my backhand shots with this coach are slices, as I just have a 51 stat. In the other hand, My FH stat was 83, which made me use this wing to attack, looking for a lot os inside out shots.

But if I use this coach to slice all the time, even with my forehand, it would be annoying...
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Postby RainingAmoeba79 » Tue, 09 Aug 2011 15:29

PerfectAce wrote:
RainingAmoeba79 wrote:Although I do not find slicing cheting, forehand slices sometimes make me go :o


Agree. It all dependes the way you use it. I´ve played some matches with Liseth Aguilar coach, and she has the Slice Invasion. The majority of my backhand shots with this coach are slices, as I just have a 51 stat. In the other hand, My FH stat was 83, which made me use this wing to attack, looking for a lot os inside out shots.

But if I use this coach to slice all the time, even with my forehand, it would be annoying...


I agree. I dont mind if you be graf on the bh, but if you do it all the time for no reason
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Re: Coincidence Part II: Fair Play

Postby OuiMr BersonBANNED » Tue, 09 Aug 2011 16:41

With Julius Top spin returns are cheesy.
Now, Slice returns are cheesy.

We need a rule who said "Everybody must return with a A and normal shot!"
We need also "No stats over 60 it's OVERPOWERED"
and "If you use a drop shot make sur you don't win the point or IT'S CHEESY"
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Re: Coincidence Part II: Fair Play

Postby PerfectAce » Tue, 09 Aug 2011 16:47

OuiMr Berson wrote:With Julius Top spin returns are cheesy.
Now, Slice returns are cheesy.

We need a rule who said "Everybody must return with a A and normal shot!"
We need also "No stats over 60 it's OVERPOWERED"
and "If you use a drop shot make sur you don't win the point or IT'S CHEESY"


I don´t think slice return is cheesy. It´s a good weapon against extreme power players serves.
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Postby ILuvBillVal » Tue, 09 Aug 2011 17:38

I don't find anything wrong with top spin returns. Slice returns in nature are fine, but in this game they provide a combination of being overly effective and giving you a ton of time to get into better position than the actual server. This gives too much of an advantage to the returner in all scenarios. Against power serves as I said, once in a while is fine, but if it's spammed it's no better than cheesing zero power serves or drop shots. Not only that, I see plenty of people using it a ton against serves 50-70 which is completely unnecessary. Unfortunately I think without calling overdoing it cheesy people will continue to use it in such applications when in reality it's no different than constant slicing in rallies.

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Postby Moralspain » Tue, 09 Aug 2011 17:49

I use the the BH slice quite a lot (control slice shot), because of that reason Iluv said, i need time to recover my position when i play against >90 power guys, although i rarely use it to return, only when the my opponent is constantly hitting wide serves and ,again, i need time to recover the center, so when i use the slice to return is not with the purpose of looking for a cheesy tactic, it's just the best option against someone who actually is using not a very "fair" tactic either, hitting again and again wide serves and forcing me to hit the ball from the stands, which would be completely fair in real tennis, but here you can put 100% of those serves in and it's almost impossible to reach your opponent's next shot.
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Postby PerfectAce » Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:08

Moralspain wrote:I use the the BH slice quite a lot (control slice shot), because of that reason Iluv said, i need time to recover my position when i play against >90 power guys, although i rarely use it to return, only when the my opponent is constantly hitting wide serves and ,again, i need time to recover the center, so when i use the slice to return is not with the purpose of looking for a cheesy tactic, it's just the best option against someone who actually is using not a very "fair" tactic either, hitting again and again wide serves and forcing me to hit the ball from the stands, which would be completely fair in real tennis, but here you can put 100% of those serves in and it's almost impossible to reach your opponent's next shot.


Completely agree. I don´t use it very often, but against power tramline server, is a good way of trying to stay alive.
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Postby VMoe86 » Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:16

Moralspain wrote:I use the the BH slice quite a lot (control slice shot), because of that reason Iluv said, i need time to recover my position when i play against >90 power guys, although i rarely use it to return, only when the my opponent is constantly hitting wide serves and ,again, i need time to recover the center, so when i use the slice to return is not with the purpose of looking for a cheesy tactic, it's just the best option against someone who actually is using not a very "fair" tactic either, hitting again and again wide serves and forcing me to hit the ball from the stands, which would be completely fair in real tennis, but here you can put 100% of those serves in and it's almost impossible to reach your opponent's next shot.

This. I don't see any other way to stay alive against power players (0-20-0, 0-19-1, 0-18-2 etc. with Babb or some other over 90 PWR coach), especially when using a player with "yellow" power stats. I've tried all other returns (deep top spin, short cross court top spin with good angle, flat returns etc.) and if my opponent does not make an error it is over - we all know how many unforced errors there are in TS4.
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Postby ILuvBillVal » Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:18

I think these are fine, just like appropriate drop shots. I just don't think they should be overused like anything else along those lines. Constant out wide serving is no better and quite cheesy as well.
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Postby ILuvBillVal » Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:23

VMoe wrote:This. I don't see any other way to stay alive against power players (0-20-0, 0-19-1, 0-18-2 etc. with Babb or some other over 90 PWR coach), especially when using a player with "yellow" power stats. I've tried all other returns (deep top spin, short cross court top spin with good angle, flat returns etc.) and if my opponent does not make an error it is over - we all know how many unforced errors there are in TS4.


What setup do you use? If you are struggling with returns try to boost your Reflex stat a bit and you should see an improvement. Aside from that timing is really the key... I think power servers really become most dangerous when they mix up their pace because a "too late" return has a too late result regardless of the speed of the serve.
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Postby djarvik » Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:29

mmmmmmm FH slice.
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Postby Moralspain » Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:34

djarvik wrote:mmmmmmm FH slice.


i use it like in real tennis when there's no other way you can reach the ball, only in that case

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