Frequently using drop shots with drop shot artist skill?

[djarvik]

My god man, you dont give up! I actually admire that to a degree.

Your drop shot artist guy has 2 wings of 90, 85 speed, 90 stamina and 55 power. SOOOO many ways to play out the points. Yet (I miss that word) you insisted on drop shooting right after your serve, as a return of serve, do them on the dead runs, do them on every point, despite losing more points then wining. I counted 18 drop shots (yes, I started counting after first three points were drop shots) in 3 games and 2 points played! 18!

Am I crazy to think this is beyond excessive? ...even for a video game?

You said you do it because you dont want to get over powered? ...my guy had 68 power and 61 FH. He was slower then you by a good margin, didn't have a serve and so on...

...then you get your 88 (or 90?) power guy and lose as well again the same guy I used.

I don't know about you guys, but I do not want to sit thru an ITST match where my opponent drop shots 18 times in first 3 games. It is irrelevant if I get to these shots or not, if I win or lose.... I simply do not want to participate in such match and next time I will give you a WO Enummievol, to save us both the trouble.

[Enummievol]

consistent use of drop shots are a hard thing to clarify.

for one, they are pretty easily to pull off. which helps it classify it as a cheesy tactic. The other is that they are pretty effective which again helps it become a cheesy tactic.

On the other hand, when your opponent is behind the baseline and is consistently chasing down balls down, why not use a dropshot? That is when I would do it.

Now in my opinion if you dropshot me when I am behind the baseline chasing balls left and right, I probably wont get too mad. The only time I ever get pissed off with dropshots is when a player is on the defensive behind the baseline and while on the stretch he uses a dropshot. Thats the only time I ever get mad.



If you got warned by the management team, then I would cut back on the drop shots. Use them more sparingly and who knows it may work out better, because it would be more of a suprise.



BTW: I had the drop-shot artist skill for awhile. Really liked playing with it, but ran into some of the same problems you are. I probably didnt use it as much as you did, but when I did use it, it was when I was in an offensive position and my opponent was behind the baseline. But nonetheless I still had people complain.

I use drop shots once or twice almost every point but not more than that since like many people said its not clever to use it more as your opponent will counter it easier, so we can assume it as using the shot cleverly. I got warned while playing the match just because i used drop shot on each point actually , did not get reported since i stopped doing it on every point and lost the match . I also sometimes use drop shot to get rid of wide slice serves. Anyway i really dont think its cheesy to use drop shots on each point , especially when u have the drop shot artist skill. I'm repeating myself but its counterable and not overpowered at all. Players should be allowed to use drop shots as much as they want. It really shines against defensive minded players.

[Enummievol]

My god man, you dont give up! I actually admire that to a degree.

Your drop shot artist guy has 2 wings of 90, 85 speed, 90 stamina and 55 power. SOOOO many ways to play out the points. Yet (I miss that word) you insisted on drop shooting right after your serve, as a return of serve, do them on the dead runs, do them on every point, despite losing more points then wining. I counted 18 drop shots (yes, I started counting after first three points were drop shots) in 3 games and 2 points played! 18!

Am I crazy to think this is beyond excessive? ...even fro a video game?

You said you do it because you dont want to get over powered? ...my guy had 68 power and 61 FH. He was slower then you by a good margin, didn't have a serve and so on..

...then you get your 88 (or 90?) power guy and lose as well again the same guy I used.

I don't know about you guys, but I do not want to sit thru an ITST match where my opponent drop shots 18 times in first 3 games. It is irrelevant if I get to these shots or not, if I win or lose.... I simply do not want to participate in such match and next time I will give you a WO Enummievol, to save us both the trouble.

I said gg after both matches eventho i felt that my gameplay was limited and not being able to use dropshots as i like was unfair mate, you deserved a win on both games , im not denying that , i just wanna play a friendly match and see how it goes without the drop shot limit. Second match , i switched to my old player which is not as effective as before since the patch, maybe i lost skill i dont know but i cant really play as well as before with a power focused player. Anyways , i was actually thinking about a similar solution to this , since i feell like i couldnt express myself . I'm gonna ask players if they'll mind me playing drop shots on each point , if they mind it , im gonna step off and let them win the match , otherwise i'll play . Anyways thanks for not locking this thread and let me at least try to explain myself Djarvik.

[Coolhand Texas]

My god man, you dont give up! I actually admire that to a degree.

Your drop shot artist guy has 2 wings of 90, 85 speed, 90 stamina and 55 power. SOOOO many ways to play out the points. Yet (I miss that word) you insisted on drop shooting right after your serve, as a return of serve, do them on the dead runs, do them on every point, despite losing more points then wining. I counted 18 drop shots (yes, I started counting after first three points were drop shots) in 3 games and 2 points played! 18!

Am I crazy to think this is beyond excessive? ...even for a video game?

You said you do it because you dont want to get over powered? ...my guy had 68 power and 61 FH. He was slower then you by a good margin, didn't have a serve and so on...

...then you get your 88 (or 90?) power guy and lose as well again the same guy I used.

I don't know about you guys, but I do not want to sit thru an ITST match where my opponent drop shots 18 times in first 3 games. It is irrelevant if I get to these shots or not, if I win or lose.... I simply do not want to participate in such match and next time I will give you a WO Enummievol, to save us both the trouble.

Now that I would consider cheesy in my opinion. Like I said those are the only times I ever get mad when someone drop shots.

If your player has the setup djarvik said, you should have a pretty good setup to play multiple ways. I think that would be hard setup to beat in my opinion

[RainingAmoeba79]

Dude, thats wayyyyy overkill. A dropshot every point is reallly cheesy.As a ROS, on the dead run! Thats cheesy 2.0

[Rob ITST]

lets say %60 of the community thinks its not cheesy, %40 thinks that it is cheesy and itst moderators mostly think its cheesy,

That's really not ever going to happen. We can't think for ourselves, so we let you guys do it for us: Rules are not based on what we think is cheesy, they're based on what the majority of the members think.

And I think I have to take this back:

I'm not sure if using drop shots is cheesy, even if you use them on very point: If you use them enough, your opponent should know it's coming, and it's pretty easy to counter. If your opponent is surprised when you hit one, then you're probably not abusing them.

If you use a drop shot, or even sometimes two, on every point, especially the ways you mentioned..... well, that really is pretty cheesy. I don't care how realistic or unrealistic it is, or whether or not it's even effective - that's just going way past simply being annoying.

Hopefully some of what Djarvik is telling you will sink in: Playing that way will lose a LOT more matches for you then it will win - so do yourself and your opponents a favor, and be a bit more selective on when you use them.

[jayl0ve]

I agree, it doesn't even matter if they're not working for you and I'm blasting them for winners, if you're hitting a drop shot every point you're just making the match retarded for both people.

I recently played some guy in 2K open who hit a drop shot on every point and I utterly destroyed him, I won 3 times more points than he did...5 minutes later I ran into him in a lobby and exited the lobby immediately

It's not that I couldn't beat him, cuz I knew I would annihilate him, it's the fact that I know he's gonna keep hitting drop shots whether or not they even work, and it's EXTREMELY ANNOYING.

[RainingAmoeba79]

Exactly. It is boring as hell. I mean, not one pro uses a dropshot more than 15 times a match. EVER! And thats exhaggarating.

[DMG100]

I was about to search the forums and see if this topic has been brought up. I played someone with the drop shot artist skill and the used it over and over. It really leaves the ball very close to the net. I took them to a tiebreak and once it began, the drop shots took over. My offensive player wasn't fast enough to get to most of them.

I'm sure no one here in ITST will abuse that skill.

And yes, this was in one of the tournaments in World Tour.

[tonigno]

i think it's not cheesy because if your opponent use it most of the time, you can anticipate it and return it with a power flat shot and get an easy winner. i think it's quite balance in a way that player with 'drop shot artist' skill have low power. its difficult for them to get a winner. so, if they dont use their drop shot well, they'll be crushed by power opponent.

so i think after the new update, this game is all about how you utilise your special skills and attributes.

p/s: the only cheesy play that i can think of for now is tramline

just my thought though..

you make 3 dropshot for any game in semifinal... and you have the courage to speak?

[jayl0ve]

I hate it when people drop shot on every point or almost every point, but what I almost hate worse is when you hit a great drop shot winner, and the other guy obviously gets all 'offended' or something and starts hitting drop shots on every point when he was hardly using them before.

This happened to me today, I hit 2 drop shot winners that were maybe 5 or 6 points apart (other than that I hadn't hit any drop shots) and I guess this guy got a little angry cuz he started hitting drop shots on every point, even more annoying was the fact that he was smart with them, getting me into 20-30 shot rallies then hitting a pretty decent drop shot out of nowhere. But he was doing this on every point..I won but he almost forced a super tiebreak and I might have just completely lost it if it got to that point.

[Yard10]

@tonigno

Its pathetic that u dont tell all of the truth. First, i didnt use dropshots in 2nd set but still won 6-0 (not trying to boost or anything). In fact, in 1st set i used dropshot because you always stood far from the baseline (you may not notice this). So dont blame my dropshot, it was your player position that you need to work on.

Second, you serve from far corner (tramline) on your serve game which was by far a cheesier tactic. I could just stop the match early and report it to the host but i didnt do it. If i did it, you'll definitely get a warning from the host. In addition to your 100 power and 90+ serve, you clearly just wanted to get an easy ace. So, hope you get this over with and move on.

P/s: sorry everyone, not trying to write off topic or argue. But just to defend myself againts something that is not all true.

[tonigno]

@tonigno

Its pathetic that u dont tell all of the truth. First, i didnt use dropshots in 2nd set but still won 6-0 (not trying to boost or anything). In fact, in 1st set i used dropshot because you always stood far from the baseline (you may not notice this). So dont blame my dropshot, it was your player position that you need to work on.

Second, you serve from far corner (tramline) on your serve game which was by far a cheesier tactic. I could just stop the match early and report it to the host but i didnt do it. If i did it, you'll definitely get a warning from the host. In addition to your 100 power and 90+ serve, you clearly just wanted to get an easy ace. So, hope you get this over with and move on.

P/s: sorry everyone, not trying to write off topic or argue. But just to defend myself againts something that is not all true.

Strong players (and I think you are very strong player) don't need useless tricks. To lose 6-0 6-0 are not a problem, your useless superiority yes...

[Yard10]

my point is to deny what you said about me using 3 dropshot on any game when the truth is i didnt actually do that, especially in 2nd set. thats all really. enough of this argument ok. peace

anyway, thanks for your advice. appreciate it. but i dont think dropshot is a useless trick. a lot of pro players do it (like federer). so, i dont think you should not be allowed to use it at all.

in video game, it's only cheesy when you abuse/overuse something (however, its very subjective about how many times you are allowed to use it). but if you have a 'dropshot artist' skill, you definitely want to make use of it, right? like any other players who would make use of their own special skills like slice invasion etc.

one more thing, i also agree with Coolhand Texas. When your opponent is far behind the baseline and is consistently chasing balls down, why not use a dropshot? thats how federer did to counter nadal's defensive play. so it is actually realistic and not useless.

hmm above all of this, it is still a difficult thing to decide..let the management do what they think is best..they have the experience..

[jayl0ve]

The drop shot is very necessary in this game, especially after this latest patch....it's so hard to hit a winner and a lot of guys will play very far behind the baseline, so what else can you do, really???