Slow serves>fast serves: why?

[oshiee]

It's easier to hit a return winner off a fast serve, even if it's well placed (as long as you guess correctly) than a slow serve. In fact, is it even possible to hit a return winner off a well placed slow serve, or even just a powerful return?

[jayl0ve]

Yes it's possible but you need perfect timing...'good' timing isn't enough.

Slow serves/slow balls in general are actually a pain in the ass to generate pace off of in real life, as well, so....yeah.

It only seems easier to generate pace off the faster serves because you have less time to think and you're just doing it by instinct. well at least that's what I think. Also, on a slow serve, the other guy has more time to cover the court/get in a better position to cover more of the court.

Can I just ask why everybody thinks they should be cranking huge service returns all the time?? You don't really have to do that...I mean you're asking what's kind of a silly question in my mind, when do you ever see pros hit return winners? Maybe once a match, IF THAT?

[dsavbeast012]

Yes it's possible but you need perfect timing...'good' timing isn't enough.

Slow serves/slow balls in general are actually a pain in the ass to generate pace off of in real life, as well, so....yeah.

It only seems easier to generate pace off the faster serves because you have less time to think and you're just doing it by instinct. well at least that's what I think. Also, on a slow serve, the other guy has more time to cover the court/get in a better position to cover more of the court.

Can I just ask why everybody thinks they should be cranking huge service returns all the time?? You don't really have to do that...I mean you're asking what's kind of a silly question in my mind, when do you ever see pros hit return winners? Maybe once a match, IF THAT?

I'm starting to really believe the ppl on here don't watch or play tennis. Yes slow serve can be effective as a changeup from time to time. But if you are serving slowly on every point it WILL get crushed, period. Slow serving in this game, even when you know it's coming, is not as easy to return and it's a flaw.

And yes the best returners and even decent returners are able to hit winners off of slow serves, though there is also the risk of the return error. That is another thing absent from this game, serve return has no risk of error, and the slow serve is harder to return than the fast serve.

[jayl0ve]

stfu, I'm a 4.5-5.0 player, and watch it every day. Or do they play something else on the Tennis Channel that I ordered, that I don't know about?

[oshiee]

Yes it's possible but you need perfect timing...'good' timing isn't enough.

Slow serves/slow balls in general are actually a pain in the ass to generate pace off of in real life, as well, so....yeah.

It only seems easier to generate pace off the faster serves because you have less time to think and you're just doing it by instinct. well at least that's what I think. Also, on a slow serve, the other guy has more time to cover the court/get in a better position to cover more of the court.

Can I just ask why everybody thinks they should be cranking huge service returns all the time?? You don't really have to do that...I mean you're asking what's kind of a silly question in my mind, when do you ever see pros hit return winners? Maybe once a match, IF THAT?

Why should the timing be harder on an 89mph serve than a 135mph serve? does that make any sense? you really think in real life any pro has more trouble with an 89 mph serve than a 135 mph serve? And you're wrong about the timing on slow serves. I've returned slow serves with fully charged power and perfect timing and the ball barely goes anywhere. While with fast serves if you just stand there and release the button when it comes you have good chance of hitting a good return.
As for the pro reference, most top male pro's avg 1st serves around at least 110mph and most faster than that. That is why you almost never see return serve winners. Find me one successful pro who serves avg. 1st serve 89-90mph and I will grant you that the returning mechanics are not completely fooked.

[dsavbeast012]

Yes it's possible but you need perfect timing...'good' timing isn't enough.

Slow serves/slow balls in general are actually a pain in the ass to generate pace off of in real life, as well, so....yeah.

It only seems easier to generate pace off the faster serves because you have less time to think and you're just doing it by instinct. well at least that's what I think. Also, on a slow serve, the other guy has more time to cover the court/get in a better position to cover more of the court.

Can I just ask why everybody thinks they should be cranking huge service returns all the time?? You don't really have to do that...I mean you're asking what's kind of a silly question in my mind, when do you ever see pros hit return winners? Maybe once a match, IF THAT?

Why should the timing be harder on an 89mph serve than a 135mph serve? does that make any sense? you really think in real life any pro has less trouble with 89 mph serve than a 135 mph serve? And you're wrong about the timing on slow serves. I've returned slow serves with fully charged power and perfect timing and the ball barely goes anywhere. While with fast fast serves if you just stand there and release the button when it comes you have good chance of hitting a good return.
As for the pro reference, most top male pro's avg 1st serves around at least 110mph and most faster than that. That is why you almost never see return serve winners. Find me one successful pro who serves avg. 1st serve 89-90mph and I will grant you that the returning mechanics are not completely fooked.

Perfect example of this, just played a WT match against a slow server. I had perfect timing on 95mph serves and the returns just died. I try to step in and be agressive, but of course that costs you court position and just makes it even easier to exploit.

It's like some people on here get defensive any time you point out a flaw in the game. In real life you won't make top 100 maybe not even top 200 with a 1st serve under 100 mph. This game you are maybe more successful with a slower serve. It makes no sense. And yes pros would eat 95 mph servers for breakfast lunch and dinner. The problem isn't the lack of return winners, it's the fact that it's easier to return a 127 mph serve than to return a 95 mph serve on TS4.

This is what should happen on those slow serves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM-xrbvXdGI



(And no I'm not saying every slow serve should be blasted for a winner, but it should be easier to return them than it is now. )

[oshiee]

Yes it's possible but you need perfect timing...'good' timing isn't enough.

Slow serves/slow balls in general are actually a pain in the ass to generate pace off of in real life, as well, so....yeah.

It only seems easier to generate pace off the faster serves because you have less time to think and you're just doing it by instinct. well at least that's what I think. Also, on a slow serve, the other guy has more time to cover the court/get in a better position to cover more of the court.

Can I just ask why everybody thinks they should be cranking huge service returns all the time?? You don't really have to do that...I mean you're asking what's kind of a silly question in my mind, when do you ever see pros hit return winners? Maybe once a match, IF THAT?

Why should the timing be harder on an 89mph serve than a 135mph serve? does that make any sense? you really think in real life any pro has less trouble with 89 mph serve than a 135 mph serve? And you're wrong about the timing on slow serves. I've returned slow serves with fully charged power and perfect timing and the ball barely goes anywhere. While with fast fast serves if you just stand there and release the button when it comes you have good chance of hitting a good return.
As for the pro reference, most top male pro's avg 1st serves around at least 110mph and most faster than that. That is why you almost never see return serve winners. Find me one successful pro who serves avg. 1st serve 89-90mph and I will grant you that the returning mechanics are not completely fooked.

Perfect example of this, just played a WT match against a slow server. I had perfect timing on 95mph serves and the returns just died. I try to step in and be agressive, but of course that costs you court position and just makes it even easier to exploit.

It's like some people on here get defensive any time you point out a flaw in the game. In real life you won't make top 100 maybe not even top 200 with a 1st serve under 100 mph. This game you are maybe more successful with a slower serve. It makes no sense. And yes pros would eat 95 mph servers for breakfast lunch and dinner. The problem isn't the lack of return winners, it's the fact that it's easier to return a 127 mph serve than to return a 95 mph serve on TS4.

This is what should happen on those slow serves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM-xrbvXdGI



(And no I'm not saying every slow serve should be blasted for a winner, but it should be easier to return them than it is now. )

Exactly. And with the mechanic setup like that it makes the game unbalanced. You can invest all your points in speed, and groundstrokes and put very little in service and feel unthreatened. Then when you combine the returning flaw with monster defense you might as well put zero points in serve cuz you don't need it.

And lol at the blake clip.

[Rob ITST]

I thought the same thing as Jaylove for a while - that people just didn't know how to return them, and they were crying about it.

Just like Jaylove, I mostly play 2K Open, and the slow serves can be returned just fine when you use pros - in fact, they're rather easy to hit clean winners with. But then I tried some WT matches, and I saw what all the fuss is about. Apparently, and this is only with custom players, it really isn't possible to put any pace or direction on your return against these super slow serves. You can time it perfect, be in perfect position, and the return is slower than a normal groundstroke. It's a lot like the "zero-power serves" on TS1 - it's a glitch in the game.

If you come across someone who uses this tactic in an ITST match, please report it to the host.

[dsavbeast012]

I thought the same thing as Jaylove for a while - that people just didn't know how to return them, and they were crying about it.

Just like Jaylove, I mostly play 2K Open, and the slow serves can be returned just fine when you use pros - in fact, they're rather easy to hit clean winners with. But then I tried some WT matches, and I saw what all the fuss is about. Apparently, and this is only with custom players, it really isn't possible to put any pace or direction on your return against these super slow serves. You can time it perfect, be in perfect position, and the return is slower than a normal groundstroke. It's a lot like the "zero-power serves" on TS1 - it's a glitch in the game.

If you come across someone who uses this tactic in an ITST match, please report it to the host.

Same here. Played a 2K open match today w/ Blake and was able to return those cream puff serves just fine. Don't know why that's not the case w/ created pros.

[jayl0ve]

Ok then well I guess I'm wrong about that. I dunno, stop playing WT then

You all act like it doesn't matter and that you hate it, but it's all you guys ever do is play WT and then complain about how much it sucks.

[dsavbeast012]

Ok then well I guess I'm wrong about that. I dunno, stop playing WT then

You all act like it doesn't matter and that you hate it, but it's all you guys ever do is play WT and then complain about how much it sucks.

I hate your attitude. Anytime we point out a flaw in the game, you laugh it off and insinuate that we suck, and now you're playing the 'just stop playing' card. Its not just in this thread, I've seen you do it to others as well.

Anyways, I have to say that between TI/MD and the other problems w/ the game as a whole I do play it a lot less. Hell if it wasn't for ITST I'd probably have given up on this game completely, it's that frustrating.

[VillaJ100]

I agree. The pro's are actually really well balanced. customs on the other hand...

[Chederer]

I thought the same thing as Jaylove for a while - that people just didn't know how to return them, and they were crying about it.

Just like Jaylove, I mostly play 2K Open, and the slow serves can be returned just fine when you use pros - in fact, they're rather easy to hit clean winners with. But then I tried some WT matches, and I saw what all the fuss is about. Apparently, and this is only with custom players, it really isn't possible to put any pace or direction on your return against these super slow serves. You can time it perfect, be in perfect position, and the return is slower than a normal groundstroke. It's a lot like the "zero-power serves" on TS1 - it's a glitch in the game.

If you come across someone who uses this tactic in an ITST match, please report it to the host.

but, what is wrong with the super slow serve if used on a 2nd serve or a complete change up?

[KDZaster]

This is what should happen on those slow serves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM-xrbvXdGI



(And no I'm not saying every slow serve should be blasted for a winner, but it should be easier to return them than it is now. )

That serve was 113 mph you nut.

What an awful example, he returned a fairly fast serve with a screaming return.

[Julius Jackson]

jaylove typically thinks hes talking from the king's podium, but he actually uses his own derriere quite frequently. so youll have to get used to it

1 return winner per match by a pro? maybe on clay between 2 good servers/poor returners. but on hard courts or grass? maybe YOU need to watch some tennis, jaylove...

the slow serve is a glitch, guys. its commonly used on WT, especially by TI/MD guys when they know you can beat them. its not possible to crush it with a created player even with perfect timing and 100 power...hence, its a glitch.