Rule Test Tournament #2

[ANILTJE]

No you can't . Only one attribute can be over 85 the rest needs to be under 85.

[AUSSIE_FABS]

WTF "One stroke must be 69 or less (Forehand or Backhand) " Don't agree what if people prefer 2 70ish wings than an 80 and 60. BS.

[tigerofintegrity]

what if people prefer 2 70ish wings than an 80 and 60. BS.

Then they don't enter this tournament.

[Coolhand Texas]

what if people prefer 2 70ish wings than an 80 and 60. BS.

Then they don't enter this tournament.

[AUSSIE_FABS]

It is a silly rule though lol. I hope it doesn't make it through to general tourneys.

[SoundfSilence]

WTF "One stroke must be 69 or less (Forehand or Backhand) " Don't agree what if people prefer 2 70ish wings than an 80 and 60. BS.

How big is the difference in having both 70ish wings as you say, to having something like 75fh, 69bh... It's a test tourney, give it a chance first before calling it BS.

[jayl0ve]

Honestly I kinda think it's a bit BS myself, I don't really understand it, it seems quite arbitrary to me.

Then again I do not recieve information directly from The Tennis Gods

[Crotatsuya]

If you play on a certain level you will see, that the only real imbalance in this game is still Pei Jing Quah, not even due to the skills, but the points she grants you and their distribution. Everything else works just fine, and the more I play the game (without PJQ, I have 4 different new setups right now and they all work just fine), the less I understand where the supposedly massive balance issues come from? You can have exiting and varied rallies right now, and if you know how to play and use all shots the game offers you to your advantage you can have a lot of fun.

You really shouldn't "castrate" the game like that for yourself, for the balance is right there.

[djarvik]

Silly "castrated" rules. I get it. I guess the tennis gods were wrong.

Thanks for support and thanks for really appreciating the work of others here. Makes me feel great about all the time I put into this place.

Should I just cancel this then?

[Hawkeye Miihawk]

No don't cancel it djarvik.

The whole point of having "1 stroke less than 69" is so that people don't go for huge strokes on both wings. Who would want 80fh 65bh when they can have 80+fh 80+bh?
There are a several coaches within certain builds that give your player so many points in strokes/power, that you actually have 2 80+ wings, or high strokes (80+fh 70+bh) with high power(80+). By default, those characters will dominate other characters with less than 80+ wings in rallies. There are so many coaches that don't give you 80+wings, so by doing this hopefully people who use those coaches will have a chance to compete.

Don't look at rules from a "but there are several characters that don't fit the rules that are balanced (75fh 72bh)" point of view. There will always be gray areas in every rule. Look at them from a "how does it prevent people from trying to abuse the system" stance. In this case, people will "abuse" the system by going for high strokes on both wings ALL THE TIME. There is no reason to have less, when you can have more. The cap is to limit how high you can make your strokes, so other people with coaches that don't give as many stroke points, which is a ton, can compete.

[Crotatsuya]

With all your testing you might have noticed, that with the exception of PJQ there is no coach that is imbalanced or overpowered (I actually grew to hate that word).

Why does that fool think so you might ask? Well here I go:

A character with hig FH and BH stats usually is slow or powerless, which renders him pretty much useless. Drew Welch might be the example here, you can have 100 in FH or BH and the opponent will still be able to usually outplay you unless you are very very good and place the shots well, due to the simple lack of power. I feel, that if a character has less than 65 power you can hardly pressure the opponent enough to dominate the game, if the opponent is of equal skill of course.

Next are the power players, that are usually slow and without reflexes, which makes them kind of useless unless they benefit from the online lag, which is kind of annoying but still... What has a Power player left when you strip him off...power? Thats right.

As it is, each setup has its downsides, am I the only one that sees it?
You talk about variation and balance, but you intentionally or not take whole playstyles out of the game and everyone will more or less play the same, with the good players still on top, just with "castrated" skills.


Strip a defensive baseline player off those high stats in FH/BH, and what you'll get is a powerless guy with an additional weak side.
You completely erase the possibillity of an effective defensive baseliner with that idea, its simply out of line with the way the game works technically. And thats just one example.

I could go on with other examples if you want me to, but you should deeply consider if that is what balance is all about.

[RainingAmoeba79]

but the problem is that for offf baseliners, speed and reflexes are low, but if you dont approach the net, these stAts are useless, leaving nothing to exploit

[tigerofintegrity]

Well for me personally, I think the game is great right now. If you just get rid of Quah from the normal tour, it will be pretty balanced already and plays fine. However, I know some people here prefer a game that resembles real life tennis as much as possible. Not sure how possible that is, I guess that's why there are these rule test tournaments but they are entitled to try to find a way to enjoy the game too. So testing for a SIM tour for them is good. In the end, people are free to choose which tour they prefer playing in so everyone can be satisfied.

[djarvik]

I am not canceling anything. Obviously.

If I would listen to every bit of criticism on the boards, we would not have a tour at all.

I am not gonna argue with anyone here, all I ask is a bit of respect for my work. Don't like it - dont play.

I will only throw this out here, 69 stoke is not a weakness on it self. It is if you are used to play with stacked players. 69 is not a instant winner generator, but is extremely solid. I do understand that it may require a bit more strategy with such setup, and I do appreciate some wanting to keep it simple.


The idea of this tournament, as you can read in the initial thread, is to see if All-Around and Volley player styles will be more in the mix. To bring variety and balance to styles.


@Crotatsuya - I could not disagree more with your post on so many levels. If you feel like discussion it, open a separate thread and I will discuss it. I do know TS4 rather well at this point and I think some of your statements are due to lack of experimentation with other setups or simply lack of skill. Probably the first thou, as you appear to be a rather good player.

[jayl0ve]

Just play 2K open guys...nothing but fun and no worries about 'overpowered' characters.

Trust me TS games are a lot more fun when you completely eliminate custom characters...there is no longer anything to argue about except who is the better player. I think some of you guys like having something to bitch about though