Should serves be tweaked?

[KluddKalle]

I voted Yes but as I said in another thread it may be so that the serve isn't over powered, its just strange that it can be that high for offensive baseliners.

[o Sinna o]

I voted Yes but as I said in another thread it may be so that the serve isn't over powered, its just strange that it can be that high for offensive baseliners.

Roddick is one and has the strongest Serve of the ATP!

Or am I wrong and someone on the ATP has a bigger one?

I don't think so.

Yawn! I get tired.

Now I will fall into Sleep and dream from my monterious Serve. Allow me the Joy Gentlemen.

Life is nothing without Joy and we should enjoy the few Moments we have. ^^

[KluddKalle]

Well Roddick is exceptional, most offensive baseliners do not have such a powerful serve. I thought that in order to get a great serve you would have to put some points on s&v, because those are the ones that should have the best serves.

But its not a week since the game came out and I am sure the ofb serve will be countered. A well timed slice return gets the job done.

[VillaJ100]

I don't think roddick has the biggest serve any more. It's very, very rare you see him hit above 145 these days, and raonic and karlovic are two are hitting faster more often. Roddick usually tops out now around 138 which isn't slow lol but not the quickest.

[Jason Fernandes]

In terms of how big a player can serve, Raonic, Karlovic, Isner and maybe even Anderson have 'bigger' serves than Roddick.

[damooooose]

I just played a match where the guy did a slow out wide serve every time... literally every time and i knew where he was going to place it and i was in perfect position every time and yet i was too far out of position every time to return his first ground stroke... if this is allowed to happen its absolutely ridiculous. He didn't even have to try and vary his serve at all. Even if i hit perfect returns he would hit floaters in the corners that would be winners because i just cant get back to the court fast enough even if i start running to the other side right away. not fun, not realistic, not good for the game.

Also his serves were like 90 mph... and im not a scrub who doesnt know how to play im top ten in the online rankings ;p I can return 140 mph serves with perfect timing but i cant do it for a 90mph serve going out wide everytime... somethings wrong with that.

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

If anyone can already make 90% serves, with power and accuracy, then serving is WAY too easy.

i totally agree with you,90 %,sounds way to much,
esspecially when you play the game just a week.
its true ,the serve is too easy in TS4 ,but he is returnable .thats most important in my eyes

yes of course ,you can make the serve harder

the problem i see is this , when you play a game month over month ,than the time comes earlier or later that you figure out the technique how is to serve ,equal how difficult the serve is .the time comes where people master the serve.

than the same problem is on the table ,only a little bit later

only when you have a serve where is based on luck and not on technique than nobody can bring 90%serve on the table ........ but than you have a serve where is based only on luck -thats also not good

its really really a difficult thing .

also we must keep in mind that TS4 is not made only for hardcore tennis gamer like us ,its made also for normal people where haven´´t the time to figure out over month how a serve works


so i really like villas idear
i really like the idear to make the first serve little more harder and to allow only a slower button serve as second serve.

[Sherlock 117]

I just played a match where the guy did a slow out wide serve every time... literally every time and i knew where he was going to place it and i was in perfect position every time and yet i was too far out of position every time to return his first ground stroke... if this is allowed to happen its absolutely ridiculous. He didn't even have to try and vary his serve at all. Even if i hit perfect returns he would hit floaters in the corners that would be winners because i just cant get back to the court fast enough even if i start running to the other side right away. not fun, not realistic, not good for the game.

Also his serves were like 90 mph... and im not a scrub who doesnt know how to play im top ten in the online rankings ;p I can return 140 mph serves with perfect timing but i cant do it for a 90mph serve going out wide everytime... somethings wrong with that.

Nice thing about ITST is that constant outwide slice serving is generally frowned on (though not officially outlawed) by our players.

[o Sinna o]

I just played a match where the guy did a slow out wide serve every time... literally every time and i knew where he was going to place it and i was in perfect position every time and yet i was too far out of position every time to return his first ground stroke... if this is allowed to happen its absolutely ridiculous. He didn't even have to try and vary his serve at all. Even if i hit perfect returns he would hit floaters in the corners that would be winners because i just cant get back to the court fast enough even if i start running to the other side right away. not fun, not realistic, not good for the game.

Also his serves were like 90 mph... and im not a scrub who doesnt know how to play im top ten in the online rankings ;p I can return 140 mph serves with perfect timing but i cant do it for a 90mph serve going out wide everytime... somethings wrong with that.

Haha I just want to discuss this in the Character and Tactics Area. I mean the Out Wide Serve and I wanna know what you Guys think. This Service is a Problem since the very first Top Spin Part. It's like a Curse.

Eeven the hardest Flatserves in the Game are returnable and you can find in the Rallies but this Serve makes it almost impossible if your Opponent mastered it to execute after this Serve.

[damooooose]

Yeah, i mean if you know what your opponent is doing every time and you are in the exact right position to hit the ball but still aren't able to start a rally or even play a point thats not tennis. If any player on the tour knew where you were going to serve every time at a slow pace, needless to say it would be the easiest match you will ever play.

Also, if you are going to make serving that easy to accomplish in top spin 4, why isn't returning easier / better to compensate for this?

[Vieira151]

I just played a match where the guy did a slow out wide serve every time... literally every time and i knew where he was going to place it and i was in perfect position every time and yet i was too far out of position every time to return his first ground stroke... if this is allowed to happen its absolutely ridiculous. He didn't even have to try and vary his serve at all. Even if i hit perfect returns he would hit floaters in the corners that would be winners because i just cant get back to the court fast enough even if i start running to the other side right away. not fun, not realistic, not good for the game.

Also his serves were like 90 mph... and im not a scrub who doesnt know how to play im top ten in the online rankings ;p I can return 140 mph serves with perfect timing but i cant do it for a 90mph serve going out wide everytime... somethings wrong with that.

You know, there are no rules at the moment. So if he is doing that, best thing to do is to step right up the court(not too far mind) and just take teh ball much earlier, giving him much less time to return your return.

[DRII]

Ok wth???

I can serve in the 140s with roddick using the buttons, but can't get passed 109 with Nole. Very frustrating! Nole is my favorite pro by far but my serving is weak with him. Why such a disparity?

Also why is roddicks serving motion not available in player creator?

[Coolhand Texas]

Ok wth???

I can serve in the 140s with roddick using the buttons, but can't get passed 109 with Nole. Very frustrating! Nole is my favorite pro by far but my serving is weak with him. Why such a disparity?

Also why is roddicks serving motion not available in player creator?

its called balance. Nole would be too powerful if he were to have a big serve. I think 2k did a pretty good job in making the pros balanced.

[DRII]

Ok wth???

I can serve in the 140s with roddick using the buttons, but can't get passed 109 with Nole. Very frustrating! Nole is my favorite pro by far but my serving is weak with him. Why such a disparity?

Also why is roddicks serving motion not available in player creator?

its called balance. Nole would be too powerful if he were to have a big serve. I think 2k did a pretty good job in making the pros balanced.

No, I mean why such a difference when using the buttons between one player and another. I know roddicks serve should be bigger than Nole,

But I've played against opponents using Nole and they served in the 120s, and I assume they were using the stick. I don't use the stick and I don't expect to serve as big as those who do... but to serve in the 140s using the buttons with roddick, average of about 120 I would think I could serve at least in the 115 118 range using Nole.