MURDA MINDSTATE

[djarvik]

I just want to ask a question:

- Is ITST a Tennis Gaming site? ...or a Gaming site?

If we take Tennis out of the equation, then MURDA and Norberto are right.

If we don't take the Tennis out of this, then something needs to be done. I agree with Emate, rules may not be possible, or it maybe, tricky. But sometimes a simple request and explanation/reminder of what tennis is, goes far. Clearly not with MURDA who has an answer for anything and everyone: VAMOS RAFA!

Thank god we have a SIM tour.

I no longer play 40-90, so technically - I couldn't care less. I just think it is a bit unfair to write off the tour with players like GOA, Jackaguest, Devilish, Pica and many others....that are clean players......and enjoy the 40-90 format tennis.

[AMAZING ZIZOU]

The only thing that is not 100% within the rules are his returns - exactly like I did in the past he sometimes touches the baseline after his returns -

I have to admit he ended up sometimes INSIDE the court. Starting FROM the baseline.

[Baghdad Baghdatis]

Well I might have to eat my own words here, because when I first stated out I remember praising Murda Mindstate for his level of play and risk ability. Furthermore I remember this because Djarvik and I exchanged a few words on the topic...

...However, now, after being a more seasoned ITST player I have got to say that I cannot stand players who risk constantly, it just ruins the experience for me. (':stupd')

To be honest I would rather loose an exhibtion match and have been technically out played with some great shot making and rallies then to win a horrible match against a big risker when I have found myself defending all match. It really annoys me when I hit only 9 winners against 50 winners of a big risker because it kinda tells the whole story of how the match went on that stat alone.

Now, I know Noberto, Murda, EPOX (sorry to name drop) are absolutely supreme players, and it takes a heck of a lot of skill to time risks like they do but the experience is just ballon bursting. Without risking all the time they would be just a good and I know they can play all the shots. Also I don't feel they play that way because they think without it they think they can't win - i think they just get a big buzz out of slamming the ball down with A + LT +RT all day long, end of. (':roll:')

So really, as unfortuante as it is for opponents and ITST, this is their game, and people should enjoy playing how they want to regardless of whether they are in the majority or not. For example, nobody really wants to play Ivo Karolvic or Goran Ivanesevic because its just power tennis, but they are (were) there and people have to deal with the frustration and accept it - as sad as it is.

Also, like i said to Equits a while back (me and him are still sweet btw) I ain't a great fan of fatties but it was his choice and he liked to different. As much as on one hand I can't understand it, on the other hand they must like it or else they wouldn't do it, right? Geeze I am confusing myself...its just different mind sets I suppose. Not a great fan of line dancing either but again I can grin and bear it. I would rather someone line dance all day and not risk the a*s off the ball than the other way round.

This is one of the reasons I joined the ITST Sim tour and quit 90-40, to try and create realism and less of the power play. (although the above still exists in SIM i feel it is not as exaggerated). It has taken me a while to convert away from the big hitting myself, and now I have found a truely balanced player, with good stamina and volley stat the experience and fun is that much greater.

Summary: I rule, Baghdad for ever, VAMOS BAGHDAD, VAMOS KING BAGGERS!!

Say it people, "Baggers, Baggers...Baggers (louder), BAGGERS"!!! (joke)

[~BeRnArD-ToMiC~]

The only thing that is not 100% within the rules are his returns - exactly like I did in the past he sometimes touches the baseline after his returns -

I have to admit he ended up sometimes INSIDE the court. Starting FROM the baseline.

whenever this happened like twice i let you ace me !

[jayl0ve]

I think it's really funny that the term 'line-dancing' has stuck so

If I recall correctly Matthias (GOA MASTER MDMA) made that term up, probably because he wasn't sure what to call it in English

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

If we don't take the Tennis out of this, then something needs to be done. I agree with Emate, rules may not be possible,

why not ??
mean its very simple to create rules about.

100kg 200 cm weight/height limit
no linedancing(linedancing means not to move your player into position - it means left right left right left right jumping in a permanently way !!

result :end from all discuss and a fair correct 90-40 tour

very simple ,no ?

[AMAZING ZIZOU]

very simple

[emate007]

Because you'll have the same problem... The guys who like playing as a fatty will still make their character the max height and weight. People will still complain. Then we'll get into the discussion all over again. Will the combination of build/muscle/fat be regulated as well? And will height also be restricted? What if they pick a low speed, is it ok then? Then you might as well play sim in the first place.

Plus 90-40 is already an arcade game. People will exploit whatever they feel gives them an advantage, no matter how slight. I think you (goa) said once that the black character runs faster. I think it's ridiculous, but if enough people complain about black players running too fast there will be a debate about which skin color to use... It's a neverending cycle. When character creation is supposedly all up to the player, you can't have even one restriction. Otherwise it snowballs into hundreds of minute details that somebody might think is unfair.

That said, I do feel that weight/build make a difference. I'm not 100% sure how the game calculates these things though, because I've been having strange experiences lately where my power level with Bishop seems to fluctuate wildly depending on who I'm playing. Against high power players I can crack non risk shots like I have 80+ power, but against 70 or lower power players we both hit incredibly weak shots.
Very strange algorithms at work here I guess, I used to think all the stats were static values, but now I'm not so sure.

Linedancing may be annoying, but I've never been especially bothered by it. I tend to ignore the opponent's return position anyways (unless they're standing somewhere incredibly strange) and just focus on hitting the spot I want to hit.

[djarvik]

That said, I do feel that weight/build make a difference. I'm not 100% sure how the game calculates these things though, because I've been having strange experiences lately where my power level with Bishop seems to fluctuate wildly depending on who I'm playing. Against high power players I can crack non risk shots like I have 80+ power, but against 70 or lower power players we both hit incredibly weak shots.
Very strange algorithms at work here I guess, I used to think all the stats were static values, but now I'm not so sure.

I have noticed same things. I think somehow the stat match ups have an affect on the match. I have been trying to figure this out to no avail. It just doesn't make sense....

....for example, I have much easier time returning a high stat serve with high stat return. But I find it hard to return against a low stat serve. Same with serving, somehow i hit more lines against a higher stat returners.

One thing is for sure, something changes, every match....the gameplay and shots are different every match.

....someimes I run like a rabbit, while others I cant move my player at all.

I had once though it may have something to do with the weather report coming up right before the match.....still possible I guess.

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

Because you'll have the same problem... The guys who like playing as a fatty will still make their character the max height and weight. People will still complain. Then we'll get into the discussion all over again. Will the combination of build/muscle/fat be regulated as well? And will height also be restricted? What if they pick a low speed, is it ok then? Then you might as well play sim in the first place.

Plus 90-40 is already an arcade game. People will exploit whatever they feel gives them an advantage, no matter how slight. I think you (goa) said once that the black character runs faster. I think it's ridiculous, but if enough people complain about black players running too fast there will be a debate about which skin color to use... It's a neverending cycle. When character creation is supposedly all up to the player, you can't have even one restriction. Otherwise it snowballs into hundreds of minute details that somebody might think is unfair.

That said, I do feel that weight/build make a difference. I'm not 100% sure how the game calculates these things though, because I've been having strange experiences lately where my power level with Bishop seems to fluctuate wildly depending on who I'm playing. Against high power players I can crack non risk shots like I have 80+ power, but against 70 or lower power players we both hit incredibly weak shots.
Very strange algorithms at work here I guess, I used to think all the stats were static values, but now I'm not so sure.

Linedancing may be annoying, but I've never been especially bothered by it. I tend to ignore the opponent's return position anyways (unless they're standing somewhere incredibly strange) and just focus on hitting the spot I want to hit.

mate
no doubt about, the 90-40 tour is more arcade than sim (and that is very good!!),
but also we will play here not supermario tennis . also not in the 90-40 tour .

sorry i can´t see before what you scared .

a weight-height limit bring new discuss about other stuff ??
why ?i see no potenzial for new discuss about rules.
what you explain is not relevant for hurting any rules or essentials ts3 stuff.
its all to handle with practice

mean ITST had created a whole new simtour what work -so they can create a simple weight-height limit for the 90-40 tour .

i simply think with a player index from 100 (99)kg and 200 (199)cm is enouigh .
you can create every possible player with this .
all other player are not only ridicolous -they are unfair

when all fattass player change player to that new restriction- nobody will complain about new restrictions .
nobody can say anything when its confirm with official rules

thats 1000 times better as to see cheese fatasses on tour and endless discuss .

about linedancing:
i think its not only annoying , its uncorrect and cheesy when you ask 10 player :" disturb linedancing by serving and should be banned from itst ?

minimum 6 people will say :"yes bann linedancing .!!
i only say my opinion

BTW: my floskel about "the black man runs faster in ts3 "meant only that there are differences betweEn the player in TS3
but here i could be wrong .
its only my feeling when i create 2 identical playersetup with different sort player .
they are allways little different in handling

[emate007]

I guess my biggest point there was that there will always be some aspect of the game (even in SIM) that can be borderline cheesy. Whether its the characters themselves or the way they play (linedancing).

Doesn't really affect me either way as I've no interest in 90-40. I just think it would be hard to implement any rule about character creation. Maybe I'm wrong, and a simple height/weight cap would make everybody happy. And it probably would help even the playing field. But if everyone thinks that taller/fatter players have an advantage, wouldn't they all use the max stats under the limit? A bunch of identical 200cm/100kg players.

You'd end up with even LESS variety than there is now, which is currently the players' height and whether they have 40 or 50 on return. Which isn't really a problem I guess...

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

thats correct. every player tries to go to border from rules to have advandages - thats the point why we need clear rules.

i don´t think when we make a weight-height rule that everyone will use that character- because i think a 200 cm 100 kg player is not the best possible 90-40 player.

mean we have now no restriction ,and nobody used the best possible player with maximal weight and height .
because we respect the way from itst and fairplay.

but same fatass comes again and again back to the tour from time to time- so its time for a rule. (just my opinion)

or we will wait till same happens again ?
to reach a 90-40 final and than to meet first time a fatass in final ?

[Saarbrigga]

Guys,

without being disrespectful to MURDA, but in my opinion he should get banned from 100 point tournaments.

Just watch the draw in Cherbourg, it s 10000000000000000% sure he s gonna win the title there.

http://www.intertopspintour.net/content ... e-2134.htm

If it s the golf man, SMP andyroro, Amazing Matheja, me, or any other player of this draw, no one has a chance against him.
It s like Rafa Nadal would play a clay challenger.

Don t understand me wrong MURDA, it s nothing personal against you!!! But it makes no sense being that good and play such small tournaments.


Cheers

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

drago ,i understand your feelings well. but what is to do ?
nothing at end ,because MURDA is over rank 30 he deserve to play challengers.
he have the right to play challengers ,like everybody else .

my hope goes in that way that he use this tournaments to integrate his new nadal player instead hes cheesy fattass V hole .

i hope we got soon a result about to forbidden this cheesy fatass character by itst !! its time

BTW: when you see a fatass linecancing player ,disagree -complain about and inform the host
also write your opinion in forum - we need a rule!!

[jayl0ve]

I think high-caliber players playing in Challenger events is weak....really unfair to people who are trying to get started in this game and aren't obsessed with being perfect