Regular Tour Rule Suggestion #3

[emate007]

Have anyone read all my posts about this latest rule? And checked with the coach calculator? Or are you all just against me on principle? Even Djarvik comes with a joke that only reflects my suggestion on the very shallowest level, and doesn't take into account the depth of my suggestion. Disappointing, Djarvik..

If ITST want more realism and balance to the game-experience, then start testing new rules. As long as the management aren't lifting a finger to support new ideas and have test tournaments, most people won't care to spend time looking into a thread to see what's going on(since it's not any officials of the site who suggests it). Also, it's really about time we start experimenting with new rules for TS4, as the interest is falling, due to extensive use of the top coaches.

People are losing interest in TS4 because it's not a very deep sports game. The coach problem is just one example of why the game isn't that good.
And FYI, a lot goes on behind the scenes and many ideas are tossed back and forth to keep things as fair/balanced as possible. But to be honest TS4 doesn't have nearly the same staying power as TS3 (because it's not as malleable or challenging), and I doubt the top guys at ITST will want to tinker with the tour much more at all.
The GST flop will only hurt ITST, as many of us were looking to that to be a source of new life/fun for tennis enthusiasts. I think that's a big part of why tennis elbow was added, to keep things moving forward.

[Rob ITST]

Regardless of which setups are used most, the most complaints I see are about the extreme setups - Welch with 90/90 fh/bh, Babb with 98/98 serve/power, and Gallo with 100 power.

The purpose of what I wrote is to test an idea. I was just asking people to play a few matches with the setups I mentioned, and give us some feedback.

[Tamthewasp]

I gave a little feedback.

Not a lot but evry little helps.

[DennieFR1908]

Have anyone read all my posts about this latest rule? And checked with the coach calculator? Or are you all just against me on principle? Even Djarvik comes with a joke that only reflects my suggestion on the very shallowest level, and doesn't take into account the depth of my suggestion. Disappointing, Djarvik..

If ITST want more realism and balance to the game-experience, then start testing new rules. As long as the management aren't lifting a finger to support new ideas and have test tournaments, most people won't care to spend time looking into a thread to see what's going on(since it's not any officials of the site who suggests it). Also, it's really about time we start experimenting with new rules for TS4, as the interest is falling, due to extensive use of the top coaches.

People are losing interest in TS4 because it's not a very deep sports game. The coach problem is just one example of why the game isn't that good.
And FYI, a lot goes on behind the scenes and many ideas are tossed back and forth to keep things as fair/balanced as possible. But to be honest TS4 doesn't have nearly the same staying power as TS3 (because it's not as malleable or challenging), and I doubt the top guys at ITST will want to tinker with the tour much more at all.
The GST flop will only hurt ITST, as many of us were looking to that to be a source of new life/fun for tennis enthusiasts. I think that's a big part of why tennis elbow was added, to keep things moving forward.

Man, don't be so dramatic.. in alot of ways ts4 is alot better then ts3.. there is alot more dept in the game then you think explain to me why ts3 is so much better plz.. only because it had a risc shot? I never liked ts3 tbh it just looked to static. And is itst so much smaller as in the ts3 days?

[DennieFR1908]

Regardless of which setups are used most, the most complaints I see are about the extreme setups - Welch with 90/90 fh/bh, Babb with 98/98 serve/power, and Gallo with 100 power.

The purpose of what I wrote is to test an idea. I was just asking people to play a few matches with the setups I mentioned, and give us some feedback.

I can only hhope this won't be where you guys are going for.. wouldnt solve the welch problem 90 % of the welches i play don't play with 90/90 wings.

Sometimes it just doesn't work to find an alternative which pleases both 'camps'.

Makes me get the idea that there is an idea to restrict lvl's to add to one particular play style.

If you guys want to change more then just small changes restrict power and speed to 91 and ban welch would be ideal. Would solve alot of cheesing and all other coaches will still be available. restrict power to avoid extreem power shots and restrict speed for extreem control shots. I wouldn't know what new problem could show up.

[Ali-Iqb93]

Lol yea I always keep hearing that top spin 3 is better but in my opinion ts3 was all about risk shots. In ts4 at least you have to build a point yourself in a rally not that you keep hitting risk shots down the line all the time. Anyways even 86/86 welch is overpowered soo restricting the level of this coach is the only solution to make it less overpowered.. And as for losing interest in ts4 on itst I still see many sign ups in Indian wells masters and this year Australian open as well.. Whereas for ps3 ts3 last year Australian open had only 30-35 sign ups as far as I remember.. Ts3 might have been popular in earlier years but maybe only because it was the first tennis game for ps3 and that it was better at it's time than the rest.. But I still believe ts4 needs adjustments regarding control shots to make them less effective and fixing the footwork as well.. Apart from that I believe ts4 is a very nice game

[djarvik]

@Ary1g - I am not responding because if I will I am afraid I will get personal. In my eyes, it got to the point where I simply ignore your posts. Here, I responded.

@Dennie and Ali - Emate is right.


I hated TS3 every week. I Played it every week. I vouched to break the disc and never play it again oh maybe 20-30 times, no joke, and I still came back from work the next day and played it. Say what you want about TS3 but it had the spark, the longevity, the depth - that drew me in day in and day out, countless of hours, marathon weekends etc.

I never had that feeling with TS4. I tried to like it, to love it, but it always felt shallow, boring. The first 15 minutes if fun....then I am just bored.

And I am about the same level on both games. I am rather good at TS4.

I am glad you like the game, Enjoy!

[VillaJ100]

Lol yea I always keep hearing that top spin 3 is better but in my opinion ts3 was all about risk shots. In ts4 at least you have to build a point yourself in a rally not that you keep hitting risk shots down the line all the time. Anyways even 86/86 welch is overpowered soo restricting the level of this coach is the only solution to make it less overpowered.. And as for losing interest in ts4 on itst I still see many sign ups in Indian wells masters and this year Australian open as well.. Whereas for ps3 ts3 last year Australian open had only 30-35 sign ups as far as I remember.. Ts3 might have been popular in earlier years but maybe only because it was the first tennis game for ps3 and that it was better at it's time than the rest.. But I still believe ts4 needs adjustments regarding control shots to make them less effective and fixing the footwork as well.. Apart from that I believe ts4 is a very nice game

There used to be a guy called hamburgerboy who NEVER used risks, and he was a nightmare to play against as he never, ever made a mistake. However he never had the advantage that using risk well can give you. He would probably do well on ts4

[djarvik]

He doesn't like it he thinks it has very little depth and is boring. True story, he is in my friend lists and we talk sometimes.


He also hated the risk shots, but he was the proof that you can more then succeed without risk shots. Mack also didn't use mush risk. Anteros didn't use risk and was #1 in all tours for a while....


...all this "risk is the only way to win" is such a BS guys.

[Ali-Iqb93]

Well power shots and risk shots in ts3 were not much different. They were almost alike

[djarvik]

Well power shots and risk shots in ts3 were not much different. They were almost alike

Not even close. Power shots where less powerful and way less precise then all out risk. You needed a 4-5 shots to get a winner even against mediocre players. With all out risk you need 1-3 shots to hit a winner or error. With LT risk you could toy with opponent for 20 shots if you wanted to that is what I liked to do, just push him around and make him go for too much.

[Cro Morgan]

TS3 and TS4 are completely different. Just like people and their tastes. Really no point in arguing/discussing/debating.

[VillaJ100]

Well power shots and risk shots in ts3 were not much different. They were almost alike

Not even close. Power shots where less powerful and way less precise then all out risk. You needed a 4-5 shots to get a winner even against mediocre players. With all out risk you need 1-3 shots to hit a winner or error. With LT risk you could toy with opponent for 20 shots if you wanted to that is what I liked to do, just push him around and make him go for too much.

Wow i never knew anteros never used risk, thats some effort. I always thought the highest elite players were the ones who knew how to use risk properly

[Ali-Iqb93]

TS3 and TS4 are completely different. Just like people and their tastes. Really no point in arguing/discussing/debating.

Yes both games have their own attractions for different people.. Some guys didnt like the concept of risk shots while others loved them.. Soo depends upon the person what he likes

[djarvik]

That was the beauty of the game!

We had 3 number ones that are all complete different styles:

Pucachu was the master of LT. He controlled the depth of the court better then anyone.
Anteros who was a power-grinder if you will. Hardly ever made a mistake on the court, he would just overwhelm you with consistency and court positioning.
Norberto who was an all out risker.

BTW, Swifty, former #1 as well, didn't use risk. Xohrum85 one of the best players, didn't use risk, joesixtoe - didn't use risk, retos1 was not a risker either, Coolhand Texas only started using risk late in his career. Come to think of it, the non-risker were somewhat more successful then the all out riskers. The only all-our successful risker is Norberto.

Anyway, it is all about Tennis Elbow now