Ban power exceeding 91 and Wings over 170.

[LokiSharpShootr]

Im leaving and wont be back for a while so i just want to let this ideia here, its a one-liner, its simple, its easy to follow and it will remove a lot of the noob builds as well as making Welch much weaker.

You might say this will make Rabari overpowered, i dont think so, right now the top players on the PS3 and on the Xbox tour are using Welchs, and Bk 100 Power guy seems to be hated by everyone ive talked to...

Plz dont come here to curse me of say that this ideia is stupid, agreeing or disagreeing with this post reply with why you think 91 power and 170+ wings are fair or arent.

Sure we have SIM, but why should we just leave the normal tours a mess and let this OP setups going? why in gods name did the TS3 tour had a 40-90 rule and we cant even take out the most stupid setups out there?

[Ibooman]

In my opinion, and this is just my opinion! I believe that a clever player is able to counter act a power play very comfortably. Tennis is all about puttin your opponent off balance, be it in an aggressive or defensive manner, varying paces and placement is the key to any great game. Different styles have different strengths and weaknesses, on their day I believe any set up can be classed as 'over powered' if the user plays to their strengths effectively. So I think we should forget about trying to ban set ups and concentrate more on developing game plans and patterns of play to counter act your opponents style.

In my opinion surely if you are unable to do anything to dent your opponent then perhaps that style of play isn't for you.

This is coming from somebody who plays and watches regular competitive tennis. I am also an out and out serve and volleyer who has survived all of the updates and new found styles that have been introduced to the game, still enjoying my setup with varying degrees of success!

[C4iLL]

What is sure, is that with the last update, 90FH and BH produce the same crazy angles as the TI/MD did during the first versions of the game.

And TI/MD finished banned partly for that reason.

Before the last update, angles were okay (rallies were longer by the way), and i wasn't for this kind of interdiction. But now, i'm for these restrictions, because these angles become just too exagerated..

[Tamthewasp]

Something has to be done but nothing will be done. How did the MD coaches end up getting banned anyway? I do not want to see any coaches getting banned but its now who can get the first perfect cross court control shot (the 1 with the little extra zing on it) with welch its a rocket. I even think its more powerful than a power shot from babb/neuwirth/rabari etc.

A patch to sort the angles and power of control shots will work.

[bkristian]

This is my take on this situation. When i first heard that 2k were planning to release a new top spin series i was very happy and i was really looking for it. I mean they did a great job in the visual and movement department. But they made huge mistake, i really dont understand why in the hell they came up with the idea of ATTRIBUTES.

No matter what you, you and you can say, people will never be satisfied and will always find something to argue about. I mean i can make a semi volley king- counter and only hit AAAAA through out the match (people are still gonna call me a cheater), i can make a fatality player and just hit to the open court (people are still gonna call me a cheater) i can make a welch guy and only hit control shots and play ping pong ATARI style tennis( people are gonna call me a cheater) or i can make myself 100 power player and still they are gonna call me a cheater.

Wether people admits this or not TOP Spin 4 Its a broken game and i really dont think that they will or can come up with some kind of update that will fix this thing. I truly doubt that. People cannot compare top 4 to 40 90 because even though everyone had it, we didnt have attributes so we were all in a same place. It was like wether you are good at or it not.

Im just ready for 3k to bring top 5 , bring back 40 90.. bring back the rick shotssssssssss.... Norberto

[Rob ITST]

I agree with bkristian - no matter how you play, people will complain. I'm just not sure if I agree that it means the game is broken - it kind of proves that the game is well balanced, because there are so many things that people think are overpowered.

Risk shots probably would have made the game really good. Like them or not, risk shots have always required a certain amount of skill to use successfully.

Maybe one day we can raise a lot of money and just make our own game.

[tigerofintegrity]

Maybe one day we can raise a lot of money and just make our own game.

That is an awesome idea. Now we just need a member here to become a multi-millionaire and we're good to go.

[Tamthewasp]

I kinda agree with bk. I dont think game is broke. I just think that an update where those perfect control shosts that are uber rockets be toned down a bit. A 56 perfect zinger with welch is as hard as a rabari power shot.

Also maybe around 5 degrees of the angles, bring that back a bit. All in all its a good game. Evry who says its a broken game. Then stop playing. These people continue to play, what they call a broken game. That seems a bit stupid to me.

[I_Zooloo_I]

I agree with bkristian - no matter how you play, people will complain.

not true... 95% ppl seem to like the way i play so i think there are more gentle ways to win than others.

[Ex_storma]

its a one-liner, its simple, its easy to follow

I voted yes. I just cant believe u guys saying u can put away 100 power guys with ease. I dont believe it, u have played someone that isnt very good at ts4. And the wings are of equal importance.

[Avinash PatelBANNED]

Im leaving and wont be back for a while so i just want to let this ideia here, its a one-liner, its simple, its easy to follow and it will remove a lot of the noob builds as well as making Welch much weaker.

You might say this will make Rabari overpowered, i dont think so, right now the top players on the PS3 and on the Xbox tour are using Welchs, and Bk 100 Power guy seems to be hated by everyone ive talked to...

Plz dont come here to curse me of say that this ideia is stupid, agreeing or disagreeing with this post reply with why you think 91 power and 170+ wings are fair or arent.

Sure we have SIM, but why should we just leave the normal tours a mess and let this OP setups going? why in gods name did the TS3 tour had a 40-90 rule and we cant even take out the most stupid setups out there?

The idea is logically flawed as it wud disadvantg plyrs who don't rely on glitches/slo motion shots to position thm selves in a rally. It wud also force all power plyrs out of ts4. I dunno how tht is fair.

Anyway I plyd Bkristian and we hd a tremendous mtch. He won becuz he just out plyd me. Fantastic mix of angles, amazin power and comin to net.

I dont know why ppl wud say they hate Bkristian..But m guess is it's a bunch of angry plyers and not the good ones.
Avi

[C4iLL]

Why not using real players then... They are well balanced, and it would be easier for everybody.

The ex power guys could take Roddick, defenders Nadal, counter shoter Federer, volleyer Sampras/Rafter, and Djokovic/Wawrinka/Davydenko are also good choices.

And because they all have weaknesses, it would be more strategic than the current reg tour, where the best setups haven't real weaknesses...

Personaly I have more fun playing games with these players, than with the ones we create.

[maderer]

This is my take on this situation. When i first heard that 2k were planning to release a new top spin series i was very happy and i was really looking for it. I mean they did a great job in the visual and movement department. But they made huge mistake, i really dont understand why in the hell they came up with the idea of ATTRIBUTES.

No matter what you, you and you can say, people will never be satisfied and will always find something to argue about. I mean i can make a semi volley king- counter and only hit AAAAA through out the match (people are still gonna call me a cheater), i can make a fatality player and just hit to the open court (people are still gonna call me a cheater) i can make a welch guy and only hit control shots and play ping pong ATARI style tennis( people are gonna call me a cheater) or i can make myself 100 power player and still they are gonna call me a cheater.

Wether people admits this or not TOP Spin 4 Its a broken game and i really dont think that they will or can come up with some kind of update that will fix this thing. I truly doubt that. People cannot compare top 4 to 40 90 because even though everyone had it, we didnt have attributes so we were all in a same place. It was like wether you are good at or it not.

Im just ready for 3k to bring top 5 , bring back 40 90.. bring back the rick shotssssssssss.... Norberto

I agree with BK 100%. I played GST until I switched to TS4. Why? Because I heard the game is realistic simulation of tennis. What I got was anything but realistic.

a) No 1-1 control of player movement in TS4.
b) Skills - like IR,SC etc. distort the game and make it more unrealistic. It is no longer about how you play but how you can use certain skills.
c) Control/normal/power shot nonsense. I don't think these terms even exist anywhere outside TS4. When is the last time you heard someone complimenting Federer or Djokovic on good control shots?
d) Can only play at the baseline or the net rule. How many times have I seen Federer playing shot after shot from just inside the baseline several rallies in a match. Is Federer doing something wrong. My guess is no. More likely Top spin 4 got it wrong.
e) Overall point construction. There seem to be too much emphasize on control shots that are "quick and precise" so you can pull the opponent in or wide then hit a power to finish. How often do we see a Djokovic or Nadal or Federer employ this tactic. Answer never. In real tennis you never think of "Man I am going to hit a control shot that will mess up my opponent", it is never done. You just hit the best shot you can from any situation. There is no concept that some shots hit will be more precise others less.

I will probably wait for GST 2 to come out. In wii GST I liked the freedom of 1-1 player control, the timing methodology was more intuitive and motion control was very well integrated. Hopefully PS3 move version will be good to play online.

At the end of the day you want to take swings at the ball without worrying about communist style dictates : player movement is part human part AI, can't stand inside the baseline, play control shot, play to specific skill etc.

[I_Zooloo_I]

Why not using real players then... They are well balanced, and it would be easier for everybody.

The ex power guys could take Roddick, defenders Nadal, counter shoter Federer, volleyer Sampras/Rafter, and Djokovic/Wawrinka/Davydenko are also good choices.

oh please no. it s great to design your own player appearance wise imo, and as a lefty i would be forced to use nadal, and he's OP

[jayl0ve]

lol always the most lame reasons why there's no Pro Tour.