Realistic Stats - Thoroughly explained.

[C4iLL]

In fact, the idea is not stupid at all because, concretly, the stats of these players are the best ever in tennis.

When you create a player, how can he decently be better at serve than Roddick ? How can he have a better FH than Fed or Agassi ?
It's not realistic : the player you create is a "nobody", whereas these top players are the best ever in their domains...

The nobody-guy can approach these legends, but cannot be better !

[Ary1g]

I'm giving up this subject on this forum. The managers and admins here are just working against me to much. There's no use of continuing this when they are so negative to discussions and lock every thread I'm creating to give people the easiest presentation of my latest ideas.

Hope someone will continue to work on this, as I believe Topspin4 Regular Tour has much more potential than it has now. Thanks for the support some here have given me, and hope people understand just how dictating the management here is. It's just no way to even care doing anything they don't like. They'll just squeeze you out and cut of your possibilities.

[C4iLL]

They just don't want you to create too many topics I think ^^
I don't have the feeling that they are against, or for, your idea honestly.

[Ary1g]

They just don't want you to create too many topics I think ^^
I don't have the feeling that they are against, or for, your idea honestly.

Maybe, but I feel totally worked against by them. When I posted the RSRW-thread, people responded immediately. Which was the goal of it. No one responded to it in this thread, because people don't care to check out a thread that has SO immensely much information on it twice. When they've checked it once, they think that there won't be any changes to the idea, because it's so thoroughly explained and presented.

I really don't give a shit about post count. I just want to bring people with the latest ideas that I come up with. So that people can get the best ideas in an short and informative format, instead of having to scroll through an entire thread to get the whole conversation and discussion, before finally find the latest idea. If I'm not allowed to rewrite ideas and post them as new ideas, then this process will take forever. If people don't get the new information handed in their faces they won't care to show interest. Nobody is going to go through an entire thread to see what solution or suggestion is the latest. There are so many people who only check out a topic once, then never checks it again. I'm one of them.

[ILuvBillVal]

To be totally honest I actually like the idea. I've always been down for the whole "90 stat cap" or something like that, although not NEEDED it would certainly help matters a bit. It would also maybe help allow guys to use more creative setups they like in a tournament without fear that some 100 giant is going to knock them down.

Some would argue that you'd simply see the 98/98's switching to 91/90's or whatever it is and that's likely true. However there is a big difference between 90 and 98 or 100 in most stats, just as there is a difference between 60 and 70. I think you'd have a little less of the whole "I only lost because of our setups" thing going on.

[djarvik]

Two words for you: Welsh and Rabbari. I have not seen them reconciled. The only setups capable of giving these two run for their money are the "extreme" setups. You take away these and it will be even more one dimensional.

Personally, I have no problem with extreme setups, I usually beat all but the best of them with one of my SIM players. Sure its annoying to play against them, but taking them away will only hurt the tour, not help. These setups although strong will never be the dominant ones, they have one game-plan, a rather simple one. In fact, I really enjoy beating these setups and generally playing any powerful setup with a weak guy, I find I have the most fun with the game that way.

Personally, Welsh is 3 heads up on any setup, Rabbri is a head behind.


To me, these rules are way to complicated and frankly will be detrimental to our current tour. Too many coaches get affected without the real problem being solved.

[Ali-Iqb93]

@djarvik which sim character you use to beat a 98/98 guy?

[djarvik]

@djarvik which sim character you use to beat a 98/98 guy?

For the last week or so I used Sixx. Before that Fussman.

I mainly play WT match because of lack of time. I come across some ITST guys some times. I am not the best player out there, far from it...but I can hold my own if I am "on"

[ILuvBillVal]

I agree with you on the Welch thing. The interesting thing to me is that he lacks some of the skill power of other coaches. Arguably smell of blood is effective I'm on the fence with it, and not using drop shots much DSA is not very effective for me personally. So really it's his high wings that makes him effective along with decent speed. I'm actually surprised there aren't more Snevasnjns Snickers Bar Shudusokosova coaches out there or whatever her name is. She's pretty similar with a great skill in Reach Swings Expert and better reflexes.

[djarvik]

I agree with you on the Welch thing. The interesting thing to me is that he lacks some of the skill power of other coaches. Arguably smell of blood is effective I'm on the fence with it, and not using drop shots much DSA is not very effective for me personally. So really it's his high wings that makes him effective along with decent speed. I'm actually surprised there aren't more Snevasnjns Snickers Bar Shudusokosova coaches out there or whatever her name is. She's pretty similar with a great skill in Reach Swings Expert and better reflexes.

Indeed.
What makes Welsh better coach then "Snickers Bar" is the the following:


- Stokes. The best asset you can have in TS4. Period. And Welsh gets the best bonuses there, by far.
- 10 points on serve + 5 on power. Way better then 15 to reflexes. Especially considering it is coming behind the strokes (above)
- Speed once crossing 70 threshold is really the same. The ball travels slow enough for it to seize being important at all.
- Smell of Blood works on ANY game or break point. Similar to MD, but just less frequent. Considering EVERY game has either a GM or BP - this is a TREMENDOUS skill that is being over looked and is being perceived by the user as his own awesomeness.
- Finally, Red stamina to make all of the above last.

[maderer]

To be totally honest I actually like the idea. I've always been down for the whole "90 stat cap" or something like that, although not NEEDED it would certainly help matters a bit.

90 (or even 85) cap sounds like a good idea for a semi-sim tour.

[LokiSharpShootr]

@djarvik which sim character you use to beat a 98/98 guy?

For the last week or so I used Sixx. Before that Fussman.

I mainly play WT match because of lack of time. I come across some ITST guys some times. I am not the best player out there, far from it...but I can hold my own if I am "on"

Hahaha play Avinash using a SIM guy if you have a chance, despite during the rallies his timing isnt the best out the he manages to do 12-15 aces a set and makes the game impossible for you to play.

[djarvik]

@djarvik which sim character you use to beat a 98/98 guy?

For the last week or so I used Sixx. Before that Fussman.

I mainly play WT match because of lack of time. I come across some ITST guys some times. I am not the best player out there, far from it...but I can hold my own if I am "on"

Hahaha play Avinash using a SIM guy if you have a chance, despite during the rallies his timing isnt the best out the he manages to do 12-15 aces a set and makes the game impossible for you to play.

He better get those aces with 98-100 serve, otherwise he would not stand a chance. I win 90% of rallies against these type of players, so being able to score some aces is crucial for them to stay in the match and get to the tie break.

I am not saying I enjoy being aced or whatever, but I just don't think this is such a big issue if a player whose stats evolve solely around Serve aces you a lot. That's kinda the point of his built.

After the last update, it became much easier to make these type of players miss from the baseline.

[C4iLL]

@djarvik which sim character you use to beat a 98/98 guy?

For the last week or so I used Sixx. Before that Fussman.

I mainly play WT match because of lack of time. I come across some ITST guys some times. I am not the best player out there, far from it...but I can hold my own if I am "on"

Hahaha play Avinash using a SIM guy if you have a chance, despite during the rallies his timing isnt the best out the he manages to do 12-15 aces a set and makes the game impossible for you to play.

He better get those aces with 98-100 serve, otherwise he would not stand a chance. I win 90% of rallies against these type of players, so being able to score some aces is crucial for them to stay in the match and get to the tie break.

I am not saying I enjoy being aced or whatever, but I just don't think this is such a big issue if a player whose stats evolve solely around Serve aces you a lot. That's kinda the point of his built.

After the last update, it became much easier to make these type of players miss from the baseline.

The problem raised by this setup, is when it's used by a guy who does tramline slice serve on decisive points... Really boring, cheesy, and unrealistic even if it's predictable. Against these one, you can't do anything, you can just hope for a lack of concentration from them, and keep 100% concentrated on your side if you want to win (very hard).

[ILuvBillVal]

Well those players should be warned. Constant tramline service is considered a cheesy tactic. As far as setups any setup can be cheesy... welch and snickers have good wings. the power speaks for itself and some people hold in LT all match with Gallo and create fake inside out shots which is DEF cheesy.