Ban attributes exceeding 90? Poll. Vote please

[Ary1g]

Rabari - no stat above 90, so still allowed.
Welch - no stat above 90, so still allowed.

The other two popular coaches are Kelly and Babb. They would be eliminated, so we would go from 4 coaches to 2.

Why are these so overpowered if the two other coaches goes?
And why not ban all four? Or those spesific builds that makes them overpowered to the builds under the top four?

[djarvik]

I think it is all in the coaches and fact that they only Add stats. They should remove some as well.

Damn, the more I think about it the more I think the coaches are a great idea done wrong.

[Ary1g]

Out of the top 4 coaches now you will eliminate two by this rule, leaving only two that will now be even more overpower. Its quite clear

The variety will be reduced, no question about it in my mind. Everyone will use either Welsh or Rabari. Why would a player looking to use a Top coach to win use anyone else?

Finally I got your attention

[Rob ITST]

I was thinking the exact same thing, about coaches reducing stats.

+10 to power? OK, but add a -10 to speed.

And who in the Hell at 2K decided to link stamina to offensive baseliners? Seriously, have you ever seen a big hitter who was known for his stamina?

[edlglide]

I think it is all in the coaches and fact that they only Add stats. They should remove some as well.

Damn, the more I think about it the more I think the coaches are a great idea done wrong.

Yeah, this is what I think. The coaches are a decent idea, but the way they are implemented doesn't work properly....in addition to the whole S&V, OB, and DB stat improvement scheme, which limits your ability to create a set-up. Like Rob just said, as one example, you can't make a player who is excellent at volleys but a mediocre server -- to have a high volley stat the game requires you to also have a high serve stat.

[Ary1g]

I think it is all in the coaches and fact that they only Add stats. They should remove some as well.

Damn, the more I think about it the more I think the coaches are a great idea done wrong.

You have a point there, unfortunately not a point that we can do anything about.

[Ary1g]

I think it is all in the coaches and fact that they only Add stats. They should remove some as well.

Damn, the more I think about it the more I think the coaches are a great idea done wrong.

Yeah, this is what I think. The coaches are a decent idea, but the way they are implemented doesn't work properly....in addition to the whole S&V, OB, and DB stat improvement scheme, which limits your ability to create a set-up. Like Rob just said, as one example, you can't make a player who is excellent at volleys but a mediocre server -- to have a high volley stat the game requires you to also have a high serve stat.

Can we please stay focused on the subject I have asked about?
Don't see how this is very relevant to my post.

[djarvik]

Out of the top 4 coaches now you will eliminate two by this rule, leaving only two that will now be even more overpower. Its quite clear

The variety will be reduced, no question about it in my mind. Everyone will use either Welsh or Rabari. Why would a player looking to use a Top coach to win use anyone else?

Finally I got your attention

You had it all alone, trust me. I am all for balanced play and always will be, that is what sets us apart from the "rest".....but it has to be done right.


So you proposing to simply ban coaches? What I think is that it will only pave the way for the "new" overpowered coaches. There is no end to it. I can name a few coaches that will take their place right away....

BTW - did anyone try going the opposite way? ...try and see if imposing a minimum stat could solve the problem?

[Ary1g]

You had it all alone, trust me. I am all for balanced play and always will be, that is what sets us apart from the "rest".....but it has to be done right.


So you proposing to simply ban coaches? What I think is that it will only pave the way for the "new" overpowered coaches. There is no end to it. I can name a few coaches that will take their place right away....

BTW - did anyone try going the opposite way? ...try and see if imposing a minimum stat could solve the problem?

Yes, it has to be done right!

What about looking at reality? What's the most unrealistic attribute when put over 90?

Someone mentioned it earlier and in another post. Some answers was that the game may become an allrounders game by doing so.. I'm not the most experimental in creating players, so my knowledge on which builds will overpower others is in my greatest interrest to learn about. Please give examples on the few coaches that would take their place right away, so that the non-hardcore-experimenters understand

[Rob ITST]

If there really was one setup which was unbeatable by all other setups, then I think this would be more worth considering. Right now though, there are at least 4, which is 4 times more than any other game I've seen. I'm actually quite happy with that.

The biggest problem I see is that people seem to confuse "annoying" with "overpowered".

Sure, we want everyone to have fun. But this IS a competition, otherwise we wouldn't bother keeping rankings.

Anyway, a new update was just released, so I think we need to see the long term effect of that before we start making any new rules. Who knows, there may just be some unused setup that will now be more powerful than before.

[I_Zooloo_I]

imposing a minimum stat might make the s&v OP

about rabary and welch, i still dont see what you find OP on them (and i dont use em i'm on neuwirth and madr)

[LokiSharpShootr]

You had it all alone, trust me. I am all for balanced play and always will be, that is what sets us apart from the "rest".....but it has to be done right.


So you proposing to simply ban coaches? What I think is that it will only pave the way for the "new" overpowered coaches. There is no end to it. I can name a few coaches that will take their place right away....

BTW - did anyone try going the opposite way? ...try and see if imposing a minimum stat could solve the problem?

Yes, it has to be done right!

What about looking at reality? What's the most unrealistic attribute when put over 90?

Someone mentioned it earlier and in another post. Some answers was that the game may become an allrounders game by doing so.. I'm not the most experimental in creating players, so my knowledge on which builds will overpower others is in my greatest interrest to learn about. Please give examples on the few coaches that would take their place right away, so that the non-hardcore-experimenters understand

I can answer that, take out Welch people go Slavina, take out babb people go Gallo, take out Kelly people go Claire.

[djarvik]

Roman Neuwrith, Snezlana Slavina. There are probable two more.

It is just the way the game is built I am afraid. There will always be around 4 coaches that are better then the rest. No matter ho many you ban.

[RainingAmoeba79]

but most Svs have low power...

But scheimer might be OP then, I agree.

[Rob ITST]

It is just the way the game is built I am afraid.

Agreed. The only solution would be to create two separate tours - one with very few limits, and one with a custom made roster that has a variety of balanced players. If only someone would create such a tour........