Top Spin 4 - Player Balancing Updates

[PCFitnessDotNet]

Good point Sky!

it is funny how if i disagree with itst that i am called a poor player who doesnt know how to play when in fact i have been playing this game since top spin 1. Do you know how many times the pros are out of postion and streached to there limit and they just hit the ball back to get it in the court. they are not hitting perfect or good timings just to get it back into the court it is just to give them time to get back into position to hit a good shot. to have my inperfect timing go out when i am just trying to get it back in the court to hit a better ball is unrealistic. If you continue going down this road of people having to hit perfect or good timings all the time and having the too soon or too late go out you will see the mass audiance of this game put down this game and not come back including me. You want this to be like tops spin 2 and 3 were you have to use triggers to play a good game otherwise you get clobbered. You call this game realistic come on the coaches i can dropshot all the time with dropshot artist. with power server as a skill i ace people left and right. this game is not a sim game the way the coaches are set up and the way the skill sets are.

[djarvik]

No, I just bought some 2K stock. j/k


TS better - yes in my opinion. Sales - same for both games.

Dude, I think you missed the part where I am telling you that the game is being played more and our draws took a leap After the patch. There is more interest. It is not ITST, it is WT, 2K open....just generally more interest.

2K is finally here to update the game, to balance it, to try to make it better. And every-time they make an attempt they get blasted. So would it be better if they were not actively involved at all? ...this is Balance update #3. Voice your CONSTRUCTIVE opinion guys that there will be #4 and #5 and so on.

Balancing is a process.

The main setback for many now, is that they actually have to be "better" at the game to pull of shots. And they started to miss. With all due respect, all games require skills and practice, especially so with Tennis games. Yet on the FIRST HOUR of updates - everyone ran to bitch that they are no longer able to keep the ball in the court. Really?

I say give it time.

As for tennis games being "easy", well, to each his own. But if you put yourself in 2K shoes, they need sales. There two sides of the market, you can position yourself to each extreme and get about half, but you can try and position yourself right in the middle. You will still get half of the market segment, but now, with updates, you have the ability to slightly shift to ether side and maybe even expand to more then half of the market. Of course this comes with a LOT more bitching, as there is no clear line as before between VT and TS.

[Rob ITST]

I keep seeing two complaints:

1: This isn't the game you demoed.
2: There are unforced errors with perfect timing.

Well, when the demo was released, they said it was not an exact replication of the actual game. Also, before the demo was released, 2K insisted that there would still be risk shots in TS4, there just wouldn't be triggers to hit them.

Well, guess what - the game we have now is closer to the game they promised. Control and power shots are now risk shots. Perfect timing is no longer a guarantee of a successful power or control shot.

If you are on the run, and you miss a perfectly timed power shot, then you were not in good enough position to hit a power shot. You might have missed a control shot as well. So, finally, we have a reason to use the "normal" shot.

Before the latest patch, I doubt many people ever used a normal shot. And why would you? There was no reason since there was no risk in going for power or control shots. You can't get away with that anymore - you have to be more selective with when you take risks.

[jayl0ve]

I'm getting used to the new mechanics of the game and like it now. At least I think I do, I've gone back and forth a couple times already...

Last night I actually hit my first error off a 'perfect' shot that I've ever hit, that wasn't a lob or a serve return. I was going for a down the line winner and I guess I aimed for too long, cuz the ball went sailing wide and long. I was a bit shocked

I still have not lost since the update took effect, I think the update only helped my chances to win..the only people giving me trouble previously were people hitting really sharp angles all the time

[Rob ITST]

I was going for a down the line winner and I guess I aimed for too long, cuz the ball went sailing wide and long.

I bet the last shot your opponent hit was a deep crosscourt shot. Maybe the kind of shot that would normally be low percentage to try to redirect down the line?

That's when I see people making the most errors. It's great too. I think this is the first tennis game where you can hit deep crosscourt returns, and the server can't just hit the down the line for winners. You can actually anticipate where the next shot will be based on percentages and not just guess based on your opponents habits.

[sky9753]

if power shots and control shots are risk what is a normal shot then? also they made the topspin invasion and monster defense totally usless. I have beaten topspin invasion and monster defense with my serve and volley guy and my power server. you have to know how to use different shots to beat them. Also taking the angle shots out was not needed. I dont know how many times i hit a good angle shot thinking i won the point to have it sliced behind me into the corner of my box. every player had a strenght and weakness and you could counter them if you knew how to do it why weaken a coach to the point of becoming useless.

[Rob ITST]

if power shots and control shots are risk what is a normal shot then?

You just proved my point. Not only do most people not ever use normal shots, they probably don't even know they exist or how to hit one.

[RainingAmoeba79]

I knew about it, but never learned to hit it..... how do u?

[Rob ITST]

Hold longer than a control shot, but not as long as a power shot.

BTW: Everyone having trouble since the update should probably turn all the helpers back on.

[djarvik]

LT+RT+Bx2 then quickly press direction and one more B. For top spin.

[Rob ITST]

And only when your momentum meter is full.

[sky9753]

i agree that i have been using mainly one shot only which is power shot and power b shots like in top spin 3 when you held down the button but when they changed it i didnt relize that was not the normal way of hitting the ball. With the update I am starting to use a variety of shots which i normally wouldnt have done which is helping me to win matches. Also someone told me and the manual said to error on the side of releasng the button early rather than to late. I guess a too soon is simular to a normal shot if you are in position rather than too late which more than likely will go out. I guess I have to relearn everything again and see how i like the game.

[Chederer]

LT+RT+Bx2 then quickly press direction and one more B. For top spin.

lol....i got this----quick question; how is a control A shot more precise cross court than a control B shot? it boggles the mind

[jayl0ve]

It bottles my mind

[Coolhand Texas]

LT+RT+Bx2 then quickly press direction and one more B. For top spin.

lol....i got this----quick question; how is a control A shot more precise cross court than a control B shot? it boggles the mind

only if you hit it perfect, otherwise it is an easy sitter.