New Update good or not???

[lethal_weapon_ii]

It's a GREAT update -- far more like real tennis than the game was before.

And you can hit winners; you just can't hit them the fake arcadey way you could before the patch. Now you have to set up the point and then hit a winner once you've pulled them off court, or hit a drop shot, etc. I've played 6 or 7 matches since the patch, including a couple of ITST matches, and they've been far and away more realistic than any match I played before the update.

I also haven't seen any 50+ hit rallies, so I'm not sure what that's about -- sounds to me like you aren't taking the opening to hit a drop shot, or come up to the net to finish off a point, etc.

Realistic????? Have you seen the this year paris final federal vs. nadal? THIS IS TENNIS!!!! And not a game like the actual topspin after the mini update like this " i'm waiting until my opponent hits a unforced error game"....

Example:
I often pulled my opponent off court with cross balls... long line is totaly free... and what happens ... if i try to shot a winner free longline - the ball goes out in 4 from 5 times .... it doesn't matter if my possision is good or not or if i had the right shot timing..... ITS RANDOM AND NOT REALISTIC!!!!!

Before the update you hit in 4 from 5 times a WINNER... (this is a realistic quote for this situation)

So i slices the ball long and near to my opponent and i'm waiting for his unforced error.... and in 4 of 5 times i win the point cause the random unforced error of my opponent.... before the update there was unforced errors, too.... but realistic and not so often....

bad bad bad. this is NOT realistic....

[edlglide]

It's a GREAT update -- far more like real tennis than the game was before.

And you can hit winners; you just can't hit them the fake arcadey way you could before the patch. Now you have to set up the point and then hit a winner once you've pulled them off court, or hit a drop shot, etc. I've played 6 or 7 matches since the patch, including a couple of ITST matches, and they've been far and away more realistic than any match I played before the update.

I also haven't seen any 50+ hit rallies, so I'm not sure what that's about -- sounds to me like you aren't taking the opening to hit a drop shot, or come up to the net to finish off a point, etc.

Realistic????? Have you seen the this year paris final federal vs. nadal? THIS IS TENNIS!!!! And not a game like the actual topspin after the mini update like this " i'm waiting until my opponent hits a unforced error game"....

Example:
I often pulled my opponent off court with cross balls... long line is totaly free... and what happens ... if i try to shot a winner free longline - the ball goes out in 4 from 5 times .... it doesn't matter if my possision is good or not or if i had the right shot timing..... ITS RANDOM AND NOT REALISTIC!!!!!

Before the update you hit in 4 from 5 times a WINNER... (this is a realistic quote for this situation)

So i slices the ball long and near to my opponent and i'm waiting for his unforced error.... and in 4 of 5 times i win the point cause the random unforced error of my opponent.... before the update there was unforced errors, too.... but realistic and not so often....

bad bad bad. this is NOT realistic....

I hit winners all the time. And there's no randomness in the ball going out -- it only goes out if you have poor timing or are hitting from a bad position. I haven't hit a single error with good timing from a good position. Maybe you should try using some drop shots?

I don't know what to tell you though....what you are describing sounds like an entirely different game than what I've played since the update.

[Rich Lewis]

From what I've seen so far I really like the update - I find I really have to pick my shots a little more wisely. I like the fact that errors occur when you are going for a big power shot down the line - this is how it should be.

[Saarbrigga]

Instead of taking away the power, the game producers should more focus on the pace of the different courts.

if you play clay or grass, there s no visible difference on the speed. just the carpet in amsterdam or the swedish (fictional) glass court are really fast.

It s the same evolution like in the real Tennis world.
Take a skale from 1-5, 1 is damn slow, 5 is the fastest of fast.

Back in the 90´s it looked like this:

Australian Open: 3 (medium bouncing)
French Open: 2 (high bouncing)
Wimbledon: 5 (flat bouncing)
US Open: 4 (medium bouncing)

Today it s like this:

Australien Open: 3 (high bouncing)
French Open: 2 (high bouncing)
Wimbledon: 3 (high bouncing)
US Open: 4 (medium bouncing)


My point is: The update from 2 days ago is very good for slow courts like clay, but totally unrealistic for faster courts like carpet or the quick US Open court.

[india-skro]

I personally think that the update is a good one, you have to get concentrated when you're playing... even when you can put a point easily
So i just think that this game is just realistic

(by the way, that's just my own opinion... no offence )

[coke4]

All I know is that before the update you could go through a long 3 set match, hitting 2 errors each and around 90+ winners each, which is just ridiculous and completely unrealistic.
And you have to remember, we are only what, 3 months into the game, I imagine that in a year when we are all better there could be no errors
I haven't played the game properly since the update, but if it increases unforced errors, then I am all for it.

[lukkystef]

To my mind, it s a good update!!

First, because ratio winners/unforced erros is much more realistic!
Then , you have to be focus all the match, because if your timing bad, it s give a really slow middle cout ball or an unforced error, which is more realistic!!!

I agree with you RAE that is more difficult to hit winners now, but what makes difference for me in our match, was my speed was 71 and you about 55 or less(dnt remember well)and finally i made winners int his match!
It s easier for serve and volley player now too i think...i notice it on WT!
I cant beat good serve/volley player!!!

So i like this "more" sim version of this game

[lethal_weapon_ii]

All I know is that before the update you could go through a long 3 set match, hitting 2 errors each and around 90+ winners each, which is just ridiculous and completely unrealistic.
And you have to remember, we are only what, 3 months into the game, I imagine that in a year when we are all better there could be no errors
I haven't played the game properly since the update, but if it increases unforced errors, then I am all for it.

I didn't say I think unfourced errors are completly bad!!!!
If your possision is bad or your smash timing, it's ok if unfourced errors will happen!

But my worry is after the update the possision playing and smash timing are doesn't matter, it's only random if there is an unfourced error... and this can't be 4 a game you play online vs other gamers!!!!

[jayl0ve]

I have noticed that I am getting seemingly random errors on some serve returns that are timed 'good' or 'perfect'...it's not a normal error though, it's the one where the ball hits your frame and flies like 100 feet into the air. I had hit maybe 1 of those pre-patch and I've already hit 3.

Overall though I'm kinda getting used to the update and I think I like it.

[Saarbrigga]

just played 1 set vs. tonigno.

he power 100
myself power 86

on grass!!!

still not possible to play quick winners. It s almost like a slow clay court.
We played about 30 minutes to fnish one set.

This update just sucks!

Just one thing is realistic: If you do many power strokes, you make more UE s. But the slowed down speed is ridicolous. A guy with power 100 or 83 is almost unable to throw winners on grass!!! C mon

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

sorry but whats going on here .??

first everybodyv (nearly ) was crying about too much power ,
i allways heared in forum
please bann this coach and than another coach coz they are too strong .
please reduce stats .for longer longer rallys and less winners
please we need more unforced errors
please reduce serve stat for sim sim sim

and now ==
the same guys say the game is to slow ,too much unforced errors and all the stuff i have read here in this thread.

what the hell !!!!

come on ,with all respect ,you guys can´t be serious .

mean i can understand when your tactic not work anymore and this makes you angry.
i can really understand this

but in my opinion the game is much more sim than before the update.

[at23steelers]

First post! I like the fact that there are more unforced errors and that you have to work for a winner. However, even with the more unforced errors, somehow there are even longer rallies now.

For next patch / top spin 5:

-increase the UE's even more, and go back to how the power was before this patch.

- have CPU hit harder serves and make less in. it's not realistic for the CPU to hit a serve with Federer 90 mph 95% of the time.

- if you use the slice, it should be tougher to pull off and be more ineffective that it is now

- have a user-cpu tournament like top spin 3. Not sure why this was removed.

- Probably can't implement this in this game, but I stole this idea from Madden 12. Have each player have different traits so they play even more like themselves when it is user-cpu. I really like the categories of all around, defensive, offensive, etc, but traits would help even more. For example:

Does player hit out wide serves: sometimes, often, rarely
Does player hit up the T serves: sometimes, often, rarely
Does player hit flat shots: sometimes, often, rarely
Does player hit shots with spin: sometimes, often, rarely
Player on a return of serve: conservative, aggressive
Player on a first serve: conservative, aggressive
Come to the net: sometimes, often, rarely
Does player hit inside out forehands: sometimes, often, rarely

There are more that I didn't mention, but you get the idea. These can change while the game is progressing depending upon how they are playing. If they aren't making many first serves than the first serve would change form aggressive to conservative. Just a thought. When I heard of this new feature in madden, I think it could work well in most sports games. However, since tennis is singles or doubles, this would only be useful when facing the CPU.


Overall: I would give this patch a C+ and voted that it was "good."

[SlicerITST]

- Probably can't implement this in this game, but I stole this idea from Madden 12. Have each player have different traits so they play even more like themselves when it is user-cpu. I really like the categories of all around, defensive, offensive, etc, but traits would help even more. For example:

Does player hit out wide serves: sometimes, often, rarely
Does player hit up the T serves: sometimes, often, rarely
Does player hit flat shots: sometimes, often, rarely
Does player hit shots with spin: sometimes, often, rarely
Player on a return of serve: conservative, aggressive
Player on a first serve: conservative, aggressive
Come to the net: sometimes, often, rarely
Does player hit inside out forehands: sometimes, often, rarely

There are more that I didn't mention, but you get the idea. These can change while the game is progressing depending upon how they are playing. If they aren't making many first serves than the first serve would change form aggressive to conservative. Just a thought. When I heard of this new feature in madden, I think it could work well in most sports games. However, since tennis is singles or doubles, this would only be useful when facing the CPU.

Welcome!

I like this idea but not sure why you would limit it to the singleplayer. I think it would be cool if the game kept track of all those little things. You could "scout" your opponent a bit before the match. If you start your match the game would show this information in the loading screen.

[SlicerITST]

I have removed some posts that where not constructive to the thread. Please refrain from doing so in the future. If you want to start a thread about the glitch return then do so. But stay respectful towards each other.

[jayl0ve]

I've been hitting much better control shots since the patch...this is either because 1) They did something to the control shots or 2) I've gotten better at them due to having to use them more, because power shots have been weakened.