IMPRESSIONS

[o Sinna o]

Hi Sinna,

That wasnt a dig at you about your comments about the game, it was a generalisation.

However......how can you say, with a straight face, that the ball spins would be 'un-lifelike' if they depicted sidespin?

There is no way on earth you have ever watched, say, Federer vs Nadal if you cannot see the most exciting thing in the game, that of the ball swerving in flight, meaning the opponent has to judge where its going to land from its top spin/back spin tracjectory and also its side spin curvature.

No way is this game or all the Virtua Tennis games (up to VT3 anyway) depicting true to life ball movement. Its like FIFA 2011 having crosses coming in that fly straight and dont bend away from the keeper, or a free kick that flies perfectly straight.

2K need to look at what REALLY can make a sim, funnily enough if they add this into the game it truly would be amazing and immense.

Your true but don't forget its a videogame a it has to be fun and thats what TS4 do, much better then VT or SCT. If you want real tennis go out and start smashing the ball

I agree. Top Spin 4 is a Try to simulate Tennis and a called Simualtion.
There is always something to improve if it's made by humans. 2K has more Talent than you may think and they made a excellten Job with TS4. TS4 has so many strong Points that you can deal with a few weaknesses.

If you want the ultimate Simulation and if you trust me that God exists wait for the Eternity after death believe on Jesus and ask God for the ultimate Tennis-Simulation in Heaven/Paradise. But so long you are here on earth you have do deal with human weaknesses.

[Yappadappadu]

@o Sinna o:
Now that I think about it, I see that you've been registered to this forum only for a little more than one year, but your posting style seems familiar to me. Did you change your nick or something?

You have a tap for a control/placement shot and hold for power. When you do it exactly half way - you get both benefits.

If you always Hold - you will rarely have an error as your shots will be hard - buts safe, as in not close to lines.

Thanks for the tap pointer. I never thought about that and always held the button until the last moment. While I have yet to succeed a half way circle control shot though, I noticed that tapping just before the ball reaches you really seems to be the way to hit a shot, when you don't have enough time to power it up properly.
On my first day playing the demo, I won most matches with Federer against Nadal, while I lost most of them yesterday, but I started to win more again after I began understanding the tapping thingie. Hopefully, I really improved and it wasn't simply pure luck.

Can't seem to find it again, but I think one of you folks also talked about "flicking the stick" or something. Could you elaborate on that?

[o Sinna o]

@o Sinna o:
Now that I think about it, I see that you've been registered to this forum only for a little more than one year, but your posting style seems familiar to me. Did you change your nick or something?

You have a tap for a control/placement shot and hold for power. When you do it exactly half way - you get both benefits.

If you always Hold - you will rarely have an error as your shots will be hard - buts safe, as in not close to lines.

Thanks for the tap pointer. I never thought about that and always held the button until the last moment. While I have yet to succeed a half way circle control shot though, I noticed that tapping just before the ball reaches you really seems to be the way to hit a shot, when you don't have enough time to power it up properly.
On my first day playing the demo, I won most matches with Federer against Nadal, while I lost most of them yesterday, but I started to win more again after I began understanding the tapping thingie. Hopefully, I really improved and it wasn't simply pure luck.

Can't seem to find it again, but I think one of you folks also talked about "flicking the stick" or something. Could you elaborate on that?

Yes I was earlier known as Black Sensei in the TS1 Days, came here now as o Sickbo 187 o and asked Slicer to change my Name to o Sinna o because that is my new Gamertag after making a new Xbox Live Account. I didn't had a Xbox Live Gold Account for a half Year but now I am ready for TS4. ^^

[dazzer169]

well the ball movement in a sports game that has a ball as its focal point, needs to get this simple thing correct, because as it is now, and has been for TS1, TS2, TS3, its handicapping itself and limiting the areas a ball can travel, or deviate too, to about 25% of its potential.

And as I said its not just TS, VT has always been the same, as has SCT and the other hyped up games.

Its only the non-hyped games that implement the ball physics first and the graphics after (and in most of the non-hyped 'homebrew' type games the graphics never reach TS level).

If only the single coder of Tennis Elbow could get involved in the ball physics for this game.

I believe as someone else said they are a talented team (2K), however they are being lazy in limiting the game like this, those 3 years between releases dont surmount to much more than adding better motion capture to the players themselves and admittedly the stunning arenas (stunning crowds too) in this game.

[o Sinna o]

Here a lil Serve and Volley Demonstration.

I have to say that I had to play a few Matches to recod a acceptable one.

Not every Match runs like this and I still have Problems against Rafa with Fed. on hard. *smile*

The last Point is dramatic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKP6C65dGF8

[Yappadappadu]

That first point, happens all the time to me.

[o Sinna o]

That first point, happens all the time to me.

Hehe by the Way. Did somebody of you managed a backhandsmash overhead with Fed?

I did it once today and was impressed.

I made such a Shot in real Life once.

[DMG100]

I tried serve and volley and I always get passed by the second ball. Maybe I get too close to the net too fast. And my first volley isn't always perfect either.

[o Sinna o]

I tried serve and volley and I always get passed by the second ball. Maybe I get too close to the net too fast. And my first volley isn't always perfect either.

Maybe but don't worry. This Video here was my best Match out of seven.

Ofcourse it can't run so smooth always and it's good that this Style is not overpowered in the Game. Everything is possible with this Style but it's also for the two other Styles or even a Allrounder.

You will see so more we play so better we get in this Game and having alot of fun.

Ingenious! That's all I have to say.

Can't wait to give it a Shot with Pistol Pete. He has to be a Beast on the Net if you look at his Stats and his Extraskill.

[VillaJ100]

I'm finding a lot of my bvolleys are 'too soon'. I think the timing is slightly different to TS3.

[Hawkeye Miihawk]

Is it just me, or does making the computer serve first on hard make him play a bit better? He's still okay, but he seems to play better when he serves first than when you serve first.

[o Sinna o]

I'll show you a Video in a half hour, I am just editing it and you tell me if these Shots are Control Shots. But I can't imagine you mean something else. I played the whole Match only with these Shots but you will see it. With Fed against Rafa on hard Dif. again.

[Moralspain]

hey Norbert, what are your thoughts mate??

[o Sinna o]

So here is my Video.

If these are not Control Shots I don't know what you mean but I am almost sure they are.

Take a look to a full Match of Controlshots while playing against Rafa with Federer on hard Difficulty. Pretty close again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpL7XJxWw9Q

Am I right?

[djarvik]

So here is my Video.

If these are not Control Shots I don't know what you mean but I am almost sure they are.

Take a look to a full Match of Controlshots while playing against Rafa with Federer on hard Difficulty. Pretty close again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpL7XJxWw9Q

Am I right?

First, why are you playing with Roger so far behind? ...you should be hugging the baseline and looking to come in at times. Then, when you hit a cross court BH, you stay behind to cover the BH cross - which is fine, but you are not running over BH and hitting FH! ...you should! You basically trade BH to his FH until he scores on you down the line.

You need some strategy lessons dude

As for control shots, don't hit them all the time, mix.