Wimbledon Ms

[RV_Cobra11]

well u do risk alot djarvik

[DRII]

OMG

DRII, I risk 90% of the time. How many return winners did I hit against you in our recent match? None.

Risk is THE ONLY realistic part in TS3.

There is nothing real about 0 unforced errors. Or forced for that matter.

When you don't risk, errors of any kind are non-existent, that is as anti-tennis as it could only be. Tennis is an "error game".

Out of 100 points won, a good strong winner hitter like Soderling will only get 20-30 winners. Rest will come from errors, forced and unforced.

DJ, I wouldn't use our recent match as an example. I was exhausted that day and had just played two itst matches before I played you. I should have asked for us to play later but did not want to renig on our agreed upon time.

Anyway you use placement risk a lot but not power risk, that is different. I was referring to Max who uses power and placement risk on his returns quite often.

Which is his choice. It is apart of the game. However, I find it unrealistic, you just don't see multiple return winners happen that often on the pro tour. And in mss for me it is harder to defend against players who use risk, especially power risk, a lot. In MS it is easier to defend because I give my player higher power and speed stats. For others it might be the opposite. In other words high risk is more effective in mss than in MS, and if you are a player who doesn't use risk like myself; mss is more difficult.

And you have also said that the risk system is too easy in TS3. Also u can make errors without using risk. I make occasional errors sometime by holding the buttons as long as possible to get more power or by trying to hit the ball very early. I do make fewer errors than my opponents who use high risk all the time but also fewer winners.

Anyway my main point was to say that ridiculing anyone who likes MS more than mss as someone who doesn't know or like real tennis is ridiculous!!!

[djarvik]

I think you missunderstood me. I was using our recent match as an example of someone who risks a lot and not scoring return winners on you as you claimed.

By no means am I saying that because you like MS over MSS you don't know anything about tennis. One has nothing to do with ther other. But, your arguments against the risk (becides the fact that it is too easy) are simply not sound as far as real tennis concerned. By all means, do play the tour you enjoy most That's the point of playing video games anyway, enjoyment.

I aslo competely desagree with you on Risk being easier to handle in MS then MSS. I think in MSS in not only easier to handle risk, but it is also harder to execute. God knows I will miss very few risks with 90 strokes I have the record to back that statement up

In MSS one needs to use startegy and strenghs of ones player to his advanatge. If one just plays it as MS, meaning left-right-left-right etc....one will lose....and often. You can have increadible movment, but if you don't take chances on your ...say....54 BH, then I can pound it all day and win the match, no ammount of speed will compensate.

In my humble opinion, MSS is waaaaay more close to real tennis....and still yet very far. MS is closer to ping pong, which could be tons of fun!

[Vieira151]

I think you missunderstood me. I was using our recent match as an example of someone who risks a lot and not scoring return winners on you as you claimed.

By no means am I saying that because you like MS over MSS you don't know anything about tennis. One has nothing to do with ther other. But, your arguments against the risk (becides the fact that it is too easy) are simply not sound as far as real tennis concerned. By all means, do play the tour you enjoy most That's the point of playing video games anyway, enjoyment.

I aslo competely desagree with you on Risk being easier to handle in MS then MSS. I think in MSS in not only easier to handle risk, but it is also harder to execute. God knows I will miss very few risks with 90 strokes I have the record to back that statement up

In MSS one needs to use startegy and strenghs of ones player to his advanatge. If one just plays it as MS, meaning left-right-left-right etc....one will lose....and often. You can have increadible movment, but if you don't take chances on your ...say....54 BH, then I can pound it all day and win the match, no ammount of speed will compensate.

In my humble opinion, MSS is waaaaay more close to real tennis....and still yet very far. MS is closer to ping pong, which could be tons of fun!

It's called Table Tennis, bitch

[DRII]

Again... u risk a lot by placement not power. L2 vs R2. Huge difference. And my comments were directed mainly at Max, not you. Max basically said if u like MS better than mss u don't know or like real Tennis. Sim or MS both are apart of a video game.

And yes we do disagree obviously. Risk is much more effective, even needed in mss. Which is probably why I don't like mss as much as MS. I only started back with mss to play you, because you don't play MS anymore.

[maximo]

i am not a great risker at all, i use L2+R2 in my returns, but i don´t use it all the time, in my opinion your problem is not L2+R2 returns, is your service, and i say that if u like MS more than MSS, then, u are not seeking simulate tennis, but is only my opinion, anyway if u play MSS or MS u play a videogame, not real tennis, u can choose the tour that u want

[DRII]

Again no,

My 'problem' is players using risk returns just enough to win tie breaks: like you.

I usually hold serve in MS. Just lose in tiebreaks to risk returners.

Serve is certainly not a strong point for me. TS3 definitely favors using the stick for serve which I don't know how.

Either tour, both certainly exist in a video game and has little to do with how much you like or know real tennis!

[maximo]

Again no,

My 'problem' is players using risk returns just enough to win tie breaks: like you.

I usually hold serve in MS. Just lose in tiebreaks to risk returners.

Serve is certainly not a strong point for me. TS3 definitely favors using the stick for serve which I don't know how.
Either tour, both certainly exist in a video game and has little to do with how much you like or know real tennis!

i would say that 99% of good servers don´t use stick for serve.

[djarvik]

DRII, I don't use stick to serve either. Unless I have a 90 serve, I simply can't place it nowhere near the lines. Again, I think you are off here. Button serving is much more reliable and dangerous in TS3.

We even had a talk with Anil once that it would be cool if in TS3 you could only serve with stick, because it perfectly reflects how hard it is to hit lines when you have a lower serve rating.

With buttons, I might as well use 30-40 and hit lines everytime.

And yes, I do use more of L2 then R2, simply because I think in real tennis, most risks are taken on placing the ball rather them hitting it hard. But there are plenty of players that prefer to "hit of the court" their opponent. One of my favorite players actualy plays just like that, Gulbis.

BTW- max is right, your serve allows people to attack it. I don't remember when I was hit of the match because of constant R2+L2 returns.

[DRII]

I disagree. The best servers use the stick, at least that has been my experience.

Also FYI DJ, just because someone disagrees with you does not mean their 'off'. Try and understand that.

I didn't think you used the stick for your serve anyhow.

And its hit off the court, not of the court.

[djarvik]

I disagree. The best servers use the stick, at least that has been my experience.

Also FYI DJ, just because someone disagrees with you does not mean their 'off'. Try and understand that.

I didn't think you used the stick for your serve anyhow.

And its hit off the court, not of the court.

Ok, lets keep playing then


Who is The best serves that use Stick? Give me some names.

It is my opinion that you are Off. This is what we are doing right? ...voicing opinions.

Thank you for spelling correction, please write something in Russian or Hebrew so I can correct you as well....just so we will be on the same playing field you know?


Don't get upset, I really like discussing things, with anyone, including you, its a forum man. So I try and bring arguments and maybe "prove" a point to you, or something along these lines. There is nothing wrong with that man. I could be wrong too, but you need to argument yourself better in order for me to accept that.

Unless you don't want to discuss it, which is fine, really. I'll stop now.

[Fredz_x]

I disagree. The best servers use the stick, at least that has been my experience.

Also FYI DJ, just because someone disagrees with you does not mean their 'off'. Try and understand that.

I didn't think you used the stick for your serve anyhow.

And its hit off the court, not of the court.

Ok, lets keep playing then


Who is The best serves that use Stick? Give me some names.

It is my opinion that you are Off. This is what we are doing right? ...voicing opinions.

Thank you for spelling correction, please write something in Russian or Hebrew so I can correct you as well....just so we will be on the same playing field you know?


Don't get upset, I really like discussing things, with anyone, including you, its a forum man. So I try and bring arguments and maybe "prove" a point to you, or something along these lines. There is nothing wrong with that man. I could be wrong too, but you need to argument yourself better in order for me to accept that.

Unless you don't want to discuss it, which is fine, really. I'll stop now.

Rob and coke stick serve yah?

[djarvik]

Nope. Rob could only serve stick with 90+ rating. Anything below he served with buttons.

Coke serves with buttons mainly. Stick sometimes to basically change the spin a bit. But generally his best serves are button serves.


Anyone else?

[Fredz_x]

Nope. Rob could only serve stick with 90+ rating. Anything below he served with buttons.

Coke serves with buttons mainly. Stick sometimes to basically change the spin a bit. But generally his best serves are button serves.


Anyone else?

Stick serving is extremely difficult, specially if you have a sticky left analogue
stick like me couldn't stick serve without a sticky analogue stick anyway. buttons all the way

[DRII]

No... knock yourself out. You must be or have been a lawyer in this life or a past life.

Sometimes we have to accept that you should not expect someone to prove their point of view to you. Opinions do not have to be objectively proven, otherwise they would be known as facts. Point is try not to deride someone as being 'off' just because they do not share your opinion.

The best servers IMO are those such as captainperfino (sic). I would certainly guess he serves with the stick. Stick serves have more pace placement and penetration when executed well IMO. I do agree that button serves can be more consistent.

And what's wrong with spelling corrections. No need to take it as me being derisive. I think its quite impressive that you can communicate in multiple languages. However, I think you would agree that hit of the court is quite different than hit off the court. Notice I didn't say you were 'off' because of your spelling mistake.

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