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[didine17]

i play since so long time to tennis elbow and itst too ; so i think tournaments 500 or 250 to challengers or futures tournaments are un very good idea but i think it should be intersting if the guys had the same level or near same level to play other itst tournaments
i dont think it s very interseting for me to play with pro levels also i have a club level in a challenger tournament
good sunday at all

[djarvik]

I agree.

[inseedious]

I agree, when two players with very different levels play, nobody of them enjoys the match, neither can improve his game. But I don't see any solution at the moment, because you can easily see that we have about 60-80 active players at the moment (just look at GS signups, for example), and they're not enough to create, for example, atp 250 qualification draws. A way can be, for example, make atp 250 a 16 draw, master 1000 a 32 draw, etc., and introduce qualification draws. But, I repeat, I'm afraid we're not enough to make a so high number of draws working properly and that would mean even more WOs, no-matches and lately played matches.

[didine17]

i agree we re not enough to organize a future with only club level for example but when a new player signs up and play for his first match u or pidzi...;he loses 60 60 in ten minutes and...he gives up itst tournaments so i think we could try qualifiing draws for 250 tournaments as soon as it s possible

[didine17]

excuse me inseedious : i agree with your advice how organize itst tournaments funny for all

[ThierryH]

i agree we re not enough to organize a future with only club level for example but when a new player signs up and play for his first match u or pidzi...;he loses 60 60 in ten minutes and...he gives up itst tournaments so i think we could try qualifiing draws for 250 tournaments as soon as it s possible

Future tournaments are already there exactly for that. When you sign up for a 250+ and in particular 500+ you have to accept running into clearly superior players with top 10 level.
However, the ranking restriction for Futures may not always be enough but there is nothing that can be done against it. You just have to hope that players who still have a low ranking but who are already way too good for Futures realize that their level is too high and that they don't sign up.

[ELTXETXU]

Maybe we could try to make some tournaments only for Club level, Junior, Master or whatever. Or deppending to the ELO (which is difficult). Or just put a limit: ie, if you have more than 1500 Elo you can't play challengers

Its funny to see people playing Challengers with more than 2000 ELO.

[didine17]

ok thierry but a qualifcations draw for not good players like me to enter in the big draw is a good idea for me ; and players who loose by walkover could be give up for Lucky loosers from the qualifiing draw

[didine17]

personnally , a tournament with players who have all club level is an ideal idea

[inseedious]

I disagree with the restrictions you proposed about "club", "master", etc.
It would be a great idea, but its behaviour is really similar to the ranking's one: it's easily manipulatable, you'll find guys with low elos giving bagels to guys ranked higher. As you'll always find guys way stronger than their ranking, you'll find guys way stronger than their elos. Some outsiders like sorauze, vincetheprince, leonmonstroso, used to not have a really high elo, but they were really dangerous. In addition, you have to consider that elo is stricty depending on the way you train: for example I train with guys that most times beat me, like IsniperXZ, magav, etc., so I usually lose elo when playing against them. If I trained with guys with lower elo, almost always winning, I would have had a really higher elo. That's my opinion. I really agree with your idea of making the tournaments more tied, but I don't know any effective way to do that. And you must also consider that a level difference is needed also in real tennis (look at the 1st rounds of GSs). I think that challengers and futures already give you the balance you are looking for, you just have to train a bit more and believe you can beat your opponents, especially because the level among the whole tour is incredibly increased in the last year, so even the least important tourneys can show a high level.

[C4iLL]

It's an interesting debate. My opinion has always been to take in account the ELO and/or the number of match played for some tournaments ("Futures", perhaps not the challengers).

In private, I personally advised some guys to stop playing challengers whereas their rankings allow them to do so, because it's just useless for them and for other competitors.

[didine17]

you have right inseedious
but the question about how organize most interesting tournaments for each one of itst members join the question of ranking ( the race ) : i m very often seeded player in futures tournaments for example and everybody know i m not a good player : it s a no sense . i dont know how do but the ranking is not equitable and gives not the ranking credible

[Fieldclan6]

Agassi should be banned from ts4, I think alot more people would play ts4 tournaments if agassi was banned it's virtually impossible to beat him with Federer djokovic etc no matter how good you are

[didine17]

i think we could trying to organize a future tournament or challenger or 250 with a qualifying draw to see if some players are interesting by this type of tournament

[GuilleGarcia]

Sure, I think the qualy round in many tournaments is the better idea, like in the professional tournaments in real tennis, or in any tournament in real tenis, since futures to GrandSlams