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Postby Fez » Wed, 25 Dec 2013 08:41

Just a suggestion, but if anyone wants 2014 to be a meaningful season, there should be an official post about FPS. Informing players that when their FPS starts dropping, game can be seriously affected. Easy to post, would have saved me months of on-court agony. Only bright side is, now that I "trained" so long with this disadvantage, its actually made me a stronger player I think.

Anyway, post it. Its needed. Thanks
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Re: Attn management:

Postby VMoe86 » Wed, 25 Dec 2013 09:40

The difference between 59.8 or 59.9 to 60.0 is slight, but I suppose it can be worse when your display has higher input lag.

Such post will come, but I guess it will be ignored by 90% of players (just like you ignoring me saying that FPS is the source of your problems and that after a fresh start of PC the FPS is locked to 60.0 at least for a limited time). Be aware that rebooting during an official match will be forbidden.
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Re: Attn management:

Postby Fez » Wed, 25 Dec 2013 19:23

VMoe86 wrote:The difference between 59.8 or 59.9 to 60.0 is slight, but I suppose it can be worse when your display has higher input lag.

Such post will come, but I guess it will be ignored by 90% of players (just like you ignoring me saying that FPS is the source of your problems and that after a fresh start of PC the FPS is locked to 60.0 at least for a limited time). Be aware that rebooting during an official match will be forbidden.



I didn't ignore what u said. First of all you didnt tell me about FPS for almost a year. Second, there was no emphasis on rebooting PC over rebooting TE (which I did to no avail). Third, my FPS issues are tied to three things: 1. The need to reboot PC. 2. I had to lower my PC video resolution. 3. Like C4ill said, if I use internet at all while TE is running.

If i simply rebooted PC without lowering my resolution, my FPS dips to 58.6 in the first 20 mins of play, and vice versa. Of course, I don't expect management to foresee every individual problem that could arise, but a general overview of the possibilities would be helpful for the community. I am certain many players have long come and gone who experienced what I did, but were far less tenacious (and cared less) than I, and so just quit playing. The failure to properly acknowledge this problem has stunted the growth of the tour. And I am also VERY certain, almost no attention would have been given these matters publicly if not for the Great Fez making constant noise. You're welcome. :wink:

And forbidding rebooting during official match, say, after 1 set or 2, is foolish. I'll tell you what will happen to me, for example. I will play first set of official match, no problem. 2nd set, slight dip in FPS will create "slight" difference like you said Moe. Then, in 3rd set, I will experience serious drop in power of strikes. I guess I'll jsut have to win in straight sets.

FPS is a REAL problem that effects stable and fair gameplay. The value of equal footing for both users during a match should take precedence over minor inconveniences like rebooting.

MOe, I love ya, but you need to get your priorities straightened out buddy. :D
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Re: Attn management:

Postby VMoe86 » Wed, 25 Dec 2013 22:44

FezAzulay wrote:First of all you didnt tell me about FPS for almost a year.

Wrong, you are registered here for a bit more than a year, started "making noise" around March/April and in summer I advised you to check your FPS (also told you what it can affect).

FezAzulay wrote:Second, there was no emphasis on rebooting PC over rebooting TE (which I did to no avail).

Wrong:
1. After a fresh boot of PC, it is at constant 60.0.


FezAzulay wrote:Third, my FPS issues are tied to three things: 1. The need to reboot PC. 2. I had to lower my PC video resolution.

Of course you have to find the right video settings first, that's something only you can do and no one can really tell in advance (except advising to lower certain settings impacting the performance). It is, by the way, something I expect from an experienced gamer.

FezAzulay wrote:3. Like C4ill said, if I use internet at all while TE is running.

So, you are not playing TE online then? :wink:

FezAzulay wrote:a general overview of the possibilities would be helpful for the community.

I don't deny that, for some players at least it can be helpful.

FezAzulay wrote:I am certain many players have long come and gone who experienced what I did, but were far less tenacious (and cared less) than I, and so just quit playing.

Players don't come and go because of this.

FezAzulay wrote:The failure to acknowledge this problem has stunted the growth of the tour.

I think ITST Mod 1.15 has been downloaded over 5000 times, some of which are double downloads (due to reinstall or something). Some only use it offline or just rip its content for other mods, many cannot play without Previews and abandon ITST Mod, maybe even more cannot use ITST Mod online because they only have Demo Version of TE. You can see that there are not that many matches hosted in ITST Mod, even though it has a good distribution. It is easier to find a random online match in some four and a half years old console game than in TE + ITST Mod.

FezAzulay wrote:And I am also VERY certain, almost no attention would have been given these matters publicly if not for the Great Fez making constant noise. You're welcome. :wink:

I wonder whether you would have ever made noise if you had decent hardware in the first place.

And forbidding rebooting during official match, say, after 1 set or 2, is foolish. I'll tell you what will happen to me, for example. I will play first set of official match, no problem. 2nd set, slight dip in FPS will create "slight" difference like you said Moe. Then, in 3rd set, I will experience serious drop in power of strikes. I guess I'll jsut have to win in straight sets.

For me it is more of a inconvenience to wait for my opponent rebooting than me playing with FPS switching between 59.9 and 60.1 after 90 minutes. If your opponent has no problem with it, you can ask him to let you reboot. That is the rule I guess:

If one player is experiencing a constant drop in FPS beneath 59.9 then he can ask his opponent at the end of the on-going set whether he is ok with a reboot or not. Asking for a reboot is only allowed at the end of a set, not during a set.

FezAzulay wrote:MOe, I love ya, but you need to get your priorities straightened out buddy. :D

Yes, I should do more here on ITST. Especially now on OS X it is more sexy than ever before.
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Re: Attn management:

Postby Fez » Thu, 26 Dec 2013 06:58

FezAzulay wrote:
VMoe86 wrote:The difference between 59.8 or 59.9 to 60.0 is slight, but I suppose it can be worse when your display has higher input lag.

Such post will come, but I guess it will be ignored by 90% of players (just like you ignoring me saying that FPS is the source of your problems and that after a fresh start of PC the FPS is locked to 60.0 at least for a limited time). Be aware that rebooting during an official match will be forbidden.



90%? Even if you are right, you sound like a unscrupulous and corrupt CEO of supranational corporation who views the death of the 10% to be a negligable and "collateral" damage. Shame on you. :oops:
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Re: Attn management:

Postby VMoe86 » Thu, 26 Dec 2013 12:02

FezAzulay wrote:90%? Even if you are right, you sound like a unscrupulous and corrupt CEO of supranational corporation who views the death of the 10% to be a negligable and "collateral" damage. Shame on you. :oops:

More like: So many people cannot even schedule properly or do not use ethernet, why should they invest time for FPS?
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