The Players.

[eliomelma]

Yes there is the risk that all use the top 4 players. For me not in different part of tournament as you Say but for example in future and challanger use only 3 tier, for slam use 1tier, in this way you use all the players. But there are ipothesis, as they do is good for me

[djarvik]

Keep posting guys, this is all very useful. Not everything we can do, but the more feedback the better.


....and most importantly, give us time. The tour is new and we need to get a few tournaments played and take it from there.

[Elias]

i'll change a bit my nadal valuation : he's actually a strong char, on par with Fed & djokovic, but he's a too much caricatural of a defensive nadal. He's part of the few chars wich allowed me to defeat Federer in 'pro 10' , sending back a lot of balls, depleting Fed stamina pushing him to miss; but honestly that was a bit boring, i think we would gain a lot if you give him more acceleration and ability to make more winners with his FH, like i said in my previous post, with less top spin and more power.

But then he will probably become unbalanced and too much powerful, then, to balance it, i would suggest to reduce a bit speed/stamina, at least stamina maybe.

I think also the counter stat can be lowered. In TE i the counter stat means "ability to take the ball early", it's not especially the main Nadal's quality, Federer excels more at this.

[VMoe86]

Hats off for beating Federer with Nadal on Pro 10 -- that required lots of patience!

I've started playing on Elite/Slow/Master 1 a few days ago -- mostly against Federer. So time to look back on some players. I've played as Djokovic, Davydenko, Isner, Tsonga, Kohlschreiber, Nadal and Llodra so far on this difficulty.

The best I did with Djokovic and Davydenko -- I could win against Federer and Djokovic's net game feels about right.

As Isner it is all about holding serve and hope for that one great return game or reach a tie breaker. I could get two or three times to a break point, but never capitalise on it. In the end I lose 3-6, 4-6 or 5-7.

Tsonga is also okay and once having mastered his serve (I only got a 1st serve % of 55 when I lost 5-7) he surely is able to win against the top 4 -- as it should be. His smashes are great.

Nothing changes about Kohlschreiber -- he is limited due to consistency in serve and groundstrokes, otherwise competitive. As of now I don't think I will ever beat Federer on Master 1 when playing as Kohlschreiber. I can get to 3-3, sometimes to 4-4 and then I barely win a point.

Nadal: I just cannot play with him, because -- as Elias pointed out -- one basically has to run down shots, keep the ball in play and hit deep. Then wait for an error or a short ball so that you can go for a winner yourself. I don't like to play like this all the time. However, Nadal is a pain to play against.

Llodra: Played only two sets, the first one I lost 0-6 (nothing changed ), but then I lost only 2-6 and the two times I've been broken I had gamepoints. One time I reached deuce on Federer's serve. Now I believe that Llodra can compete, but one has to serve well all the time.

[eliomelma]

The problem of we use the top 4 players seems that not exists. I see the draw of test tournament and there are many various players.Only 3 federer, no one with nadal and only one djokovic. It is a good begin. Maybe because is a test tournament , in a points tournament we can see it

[L Sanchez MD]

Nadal: I just cannot play with him, because -- as Elias pointed out -- one basically has to run down shots, keep the ball in play and hit deep. Then wait for an error or a short ball so that you can go for a winner yourself. I don't like to play like this all the time. However, Nadal is a pain to play against.

Sounds pretty much like how Nadal plays in real life then

[Elias]

Yes but he can also deliver much more powerful strikes with his FH

[djarvik]

Lets keep this thread alive and feedback concentrated. I will be doing another round of adjustments some time this week, along with a new working (hopefully) patch. So please, post your player feedback here.

Please, be "careful what you wish for". Try to stay away from "he won with a stronger player, that player must be adjusted". I think a better way would be for the winner of the match to comment about his players strengths.

Shoot!

[C4iLL]

Okay. I think Tsonga is underrated

[Ugadalou]

Do you feel right now, after 2.5 tournaments that any one player is extremely overpowered ?

I only have felt overpowered by Federer so far.Not just by playing against him.but controlling him against cpu too, he is a class above all else.Forehand and serve are huge, rightfully so.
It is the backhand though that makes him overpowered - too strong and most importantly, too consistent.Not only his bh side rarely produces errors but it can become very dangerous when countering or hitting lines with sharp precision.I think it is too flat as well compared to the real thing but I guess that's not something we can change until there is a seperate spin stat.

Federer's backhand is his weakness and what his opponents attack to break his game down.
With the current stats it certainly doesn't look like it to me.

[Otlichno]

I've never played a Federer as an actual opponent, so I wouldn't know. But even on Pro 10, I find it's pretty simple to jam up his backhand and force him into a backhand error. It's not only the stats which make a difference, his backhand animation can be exposed. But this is only from against CPU experiences.

[eliomelma]

Do you feel right now, after 2.5 tournaments that any one player is extremely overpowered ?

I only have felt overpowered by Federer so far.Not just by playing against him.but controlling him against cpu too, he is a class above all else.Forehand and serve are huge, rightfully so.
It is the backhand though that makes him overpowered - too strong and most importantly, too consistent.Not only his bh side rarely produces errors but it can become very dangerous when countering or hitting lines with sharp precision.I think it is too flat as well compared to the real thing but I guess that's not something we can change until there is a seperate spin stat.

Federer's backhand is his weakness and what his opponents attack to break his game down.
With the current stats it certainly doesn't look like it to me.

and Davydenko?i am good with federer but if i play with federer against davydenko on pro 6 and he wins always 6-2 6-1 6-0

[VMoe86]

and Davydenko?i am good with federer but if i play with federer against davydenko on pro 6 and he wins always 6-2 6-1 6-0

I win with Federer against him on Master 1, scores like 6-4, 6-3 (on hardcourt). I think that Davydenko playing on a high level is just a very difficult opponent (which, at his peak, he was on hardcourts). I win with the exact same scorelines when playing as Federer against Federer or Davydenko against Federer.

I agree with Ugadalou that Federer's backhand simply cannot be replicated perfectly in Tennis Elbow. Federer can do magical things off his backhand wing, but not too often, and as a rallying shot it is solid enough against most players so that he does not lose matches off that wing when he plays well.

I wish one could have separate stats for most shots: Consistency on the BH drop shot, consistency on BH slice, quality of the BH slice etc. and the same for the FH (I hope I was clear). Nadal, for example, should hit a flatter backhand.

[C4iLL]

After having played 2 matches with Tsonga, I have the feeling he's too weak regarding his real forces, his ranking, and his past victories (he's a strong n°5 in ATP, has reached the final of the Barclays Masters, victories against Nadal etc, scored the most aces in 2011 etc).

Currently, he's slow, has a weak BH, an average FH and net skills.
Regarding stats of guys like Del Potro, Federer, Davydenko, or Nadal, he's really underated.

Especially on his FH who lacks power, and precision. In real life, he scores a LOT of winners with that shots by going inside out.

The BH is okay I think, the speed too. The service can be a little more precise, and the net skills maybe increased.

[Ugadalou]

What the roster tries to achieve is balance.Balance could be translated in variety and not everyone using the same 2-3 overpowered players.We can boost players used rarely and weaken the ones being dominant in the tour.

I've done a statistical research on which chars are the most popular between players so far.Feel free to draw your own conclusions, the stats could mean nothing but nevertheless I find it interesting:

Times Picked / Players

11 : Del Potro

9 : Federer,Simon

6 : Davydenko

5 : Tsonga

4 : Djokovic,Murray

3 : Gulbis

2 : Ferrer,Fish,Wawrinka

1 : Nadal,Isner,Monfils,Youzhny,Nishikori,
Stepanek,Kohlschreiber,Nalbandian,Harrison

Never Picked : Berdych,Tipsarevic,Almagro,Soderling,Lopez,
Dolgopolov,Verdasco,Raonic,Baghdatis,Melzer,
Cilic,Tomic,Roddick,Llodra



Personally and more specifically:

Federer:Too high backhand consistency.Should be more error-prone on that side.

Simon:In real life he is more dangerous against powerful ballbashers but cannot take charge in matches against control hitting players.Simon's game heavily relies on his opponent's.He's not comfortable generating his own pace in reality but with current stats Simon can attack even slower ball easily.
I suggest we lower his shots' power so that he needs to work with his opponent's power.Service power and consistency should be lowered as well (he struggles holding his service games and doesn't make many 1st serves).

Davy:His stats are set to what he played in his prime (and don't reflect his current form) but I guess we can show some respect to a guy who has been a top10 player for almost 8 years!-he deserved a slam.Maybe a little less speed and consistency in strokes.

Tsonga:Feels weak to me becase he is too slow and can't make enough damage to fill in for his lack of speed.He is very athletic after all and we could give him a speed boost, maybe a little bit more bite on his strokes as well.

Nadal,Ferrer,Almagro,Verdasco:Nobody chooses to play el conquistadores for a single reason:Too much spin.So much spin they actually feel harmless.Same goes for Gasquet.

Tomic:He is too slow.