Cheesy play

[costiiforzaa]

I just played with napalm and he did versus me something like 50 lobs on return and I don't want to talk that he was returning from the middle of the court. So do you thing guys that it is normal to do 50 lobs on return? I'm so annoyed, because after I installed the new version, I forgot to turn the demo ON, so can you please napalm post the demo of the match?

[djarvik]

Lobs should never be used on returns.

[p.napalm]

I know that 50 lobs means strange, but please be truthful. In my opinion lob return is cheesy, but if player after serve stands on the baseline. Your tactic was serve and volley. If someone use this tactic, he sholud be prepared to be over-lob. It's simple. I played many times with s&v players, and they just simply overheads my lobs. In 80% of your tryout of overhead, you just missed a ball. My lobs weren't sooo long, that you couldn't touch the ball.

[eliomelma]

No, now that i will return to play tournaments, i hear this.....

[costiiforzaa]

I know that 50 lobs means strange, but please be truthful. In my opinion lob return is cheesy, but if player after serve stands on the baseline. Your tactic was serve and volley. If someone use this tactic, he sholud be prepared to be over-lob. It's simple. I played many times with s&v players, and they just simply overheads my lobs. In 80% of your tryout of overhead, you just missed a ball. My lobs weren't sooo long, that you couldn't touch the ball.

Isn't cheesy mean when you see that you win a lot of percentage by hitting equal shot like drop shots and lob shots and your opponent can't manage to break your tactic - cheesy tactic? There is no fun in this! You are returning from the middle of the court(which is not like in the real tennis) so it is normal and without cheat to S&V versus you and then you started another tactic - which is cheesy and without reality to hit lob return. If you remember, sometimes you hit lob return, when I stayed on my baseline after I served, because I wanted to see if you are doing this non stop without watching my opponent, so I was exactly right!

[p.napalm]

Including demo and full version of the game, I have played more than 3k matches (yes, 3 thousand matches) and I have never had problems with any players (except corner idiot-servers etc). You are the first one who has some claims. My reputation is very good. I would like to suggest you to chill out. It is only a game, to spend your free time in interesting (for you) way. To be honest I don't remember situation when you stayed on the baseline and I played lob. Please prove that in way that everoyone will agree with you. Now it's word against word.

[costiiforzaa]

Including demo and full version of the game, I have played more than 3k matches (yes, 3 thousand matches) and I have never had problems with any players (except corner idiot-servers etc). You are the first one who has some claims. My reputation is very good. I would like to suggest you to chill out. It is only a game, to spend your free time in interesting (for you) way. To be honest I don't remember situation when you stayed on the baseline and I played lob. Please prove that in way that everoyone will agree with you. Now it's word against word.

Read my first post.

[costiiforzaa]

Including demo and full version of the game, I have played more than 3k matches (yes, 3 thousand matches) and I have never had problems with any players (except corner idiot-servers etc). You are the first one who has some claims. My reputation is very good. I would like to suggest you to chill out. It is only a game, to spend your free time in interesting (for you) way. To be honest I don't remember situation when you stayed on the baseline and I played lob. Please prove that in way that everoyone will agree with you. Now it's word against word.

One of this sutiations was on BP. And if I remeber in our first 1-2 matches before 1-2 months you wasn't returning from the middle of the court. If i have demo I will post it immedietly, but.. I told you at the end of the match that this is cheesy tactic, but you didn't accept this, then and djarvik(tour host, member of the managment and etc.) told you too, but again you don't accept that this is cheesy tactic and to stop do it in your next matches. Of course noone from the tour host and etc. can't say you anything about your play outside the tour, but like you said you have good reputation, but with this cheesy play, I don't think that many players will want to play with you(I'm one of them, I'm sure that there are many others), so think about this.

[C4iLL]

I totally agree with Dimitrov. In real tennis, no one plays lobs in return, it's completely stupid. Manutoo should disable the possibility of returning a service with a lob as it's a true nonsense.

Your reputation napalm is not relevant here : we talk about tennis, realism and fun. It's neither fun nor realistic to get lobs as a return of service.

And even if nobody ever complains about that before, it makes no point : you are playing on ITST, it's a special tour, with specific rules. Djarvik says "no lob in return", it's then a rule, respect it, or you won't play a lot of matchs here I think ^^

Personally, if I would be admin, I would ask napalm & dimitrov to re-play their match, regarding that issue.

[VMoe86]

Personally, if I would be admin, I would ask napalm & dimitrov to re-play their match, regarding that issue.

It wasn't an official tour match, it was a practice match.

And when I see majority of players in TE Vanilla, it does not mean a lot when they do not complain about such things.

EDIT: Besides no lobs on return, I'd even fix the return position and serve position to TE standard position. Thus you'd have these complaints about weird return positions gone. Fixed serve position might put off some who like to take one or two steps wider from standard serve position, but if one or two steps are fine, why should it not be fine to go out even wider?

The other extreme would be to give total freedom on serve and return positions. I'd even have no problem with it, because in TE one can deal well with tramline servers (I like to beat them on TE Vanilla , usually they quit after their serve is broken the first time).

[p.napalm]

And if I remeber in our first 1-2 matches before 1-2 months you wasn't returning from the middle of the court.

Sorry, I don't remember our matches, but for couple years I haven't changed my returning position. From the beginning I usually stand 2-3 steps from standard position. I have never return from the middle of the court.

Your reputation napalm is not relevant here : we talk about tennis, realism and fun. It's neither fun nor realistic to get lobs as a return of service.

We talk about realism, right? So I would like to suggest to ban players, who are serve and volley. Now in ATP Tour no one use this tactic (even Llodra) all the time. No one play lob return in real tennis - it's cheesy in TE, no one use serve and volley tactic in real tennis - it should be also cheesy in TE. I hope you feel this sarcasm.

[C4iLL]

Thinking that there's only Llodra who often comes to the net in a match shows you don't really know the current ATP scene...

[p.napalm]

Thinking that there's only Llodra who often comes to the net in a match shows you don't really know the current ATP scene...

I wrote "even Llodra", not "only Llodra". There is a subtle difference, isn't it? I guess you are smart guy and feel the difference. You draw far-reaching conclusions from my short massage and unfortunatelly you are wrong.
It will be like you (I mean management) decide and I'm not going to argue with you, I have better things to do.
I treat this game like a fun, that's all.

[C4iLL]

By saying that, I just wanted to point out the fact that there are a lot of guys who play SV tactic in matchs, unlike what you said.

Even in the top10, Fed & Tsonga use a lot that tactic when they are confident, but maybe you don't follow real tennis, it's then not your fault