Sh0Case v Adri_Stinker - Wimbledon Semi Final PRO

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Sh0Case v Adri_Stinker - Wimbledon Semi Final PRO

Postby Sh0Case » Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:34

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlosfGMbDx8

Congrats to Adri_Stinker, amazing win, you deserved it.
This is definitely a match you should watch the entirety of, the quality was consistently high. After all, it's somebody than isn't related to me managing to get a win over me :D
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Postby Gotenkssan » Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:47

Awesome and close match. Great comback from Agassi :-)
And good news for the ITST Community: I saw some "Too late" or "Too soon" balls, that means our Sh0 is from earth too..

Großartig gespielt Kollege Adri. Respekt.

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PS: Thanks for the upload.
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Postby JohnCurveo » Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:49

Sh0case is just being sarcastic. By the way, I will record my matches too till now.
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Postby Ali-Iqb93 » Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:59

As far as I know abusing or hitting unnecessary fh power slices is not allowed. The way adri executed fh power slice is normal and realistic in my opinion. Because adri was in one corner so maybe he used the power slice to get more time in order to come back in the centre of the court, but that fh slice became a winner. After that sh0 was about to type a message then suddenly stopped and started playing again the next two points(maybe this wouldn't have been an issue if sh0 would have won that game 3-1). Not a big deal really that you ll simply just stand still cuz your opponent hits a fh power slice from a defensive position. Other than that I do really feel that adri should have played replays in between the points while sh0 was typing, Maybe just restart the match from 2-2 4th set
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Postby JohnCurveo » Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:27

*from now :lol:
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Postby shahrukh89 » Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:50

my tip^^ play fourth set 2:2
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Postby djarvik » Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:18

Just to be clear. The score stands. The decision was made and feedback from 6 different hosts was collected and taken into account.

Let me take this opportunity to clear something up: "Cheese tactics"

Note that I say "tactics" not "shots". There are no cheesy shots in context of one shot data sample. Everything goes, yes. The shot becomes cheesy when it is a part of the tactic to accomplish an agenda. Lets take this case as an example:
Player makes a forehand power slice when stretched wide on defense, opponent doesn't react and it ends up as a winner? Is this sounds cheesy? The answer is no. If that player would resort to that power slice 2-3-4 times at crucial points throughout the match, as an attacking tactic - then we can analyze this and say that this player engages in cheesy tactic to win the matches/important points. At that point this shot becomes cheesy.

We need to also understand "what is important points"? You can theoretically call any point of the match important, because that one lost point can become a decider. A 0-15 can mean a break, a set or even a match. With that in mind, if we are to call a point important, then we NEED to draw a distinction between that and non-important, or less important. With so many points in between there is no clear answer, but in my opinion, the most important points are: Break points, Mini-break in tie breaks, set points and match points. In this case this was an ADV point - a game point. Losing it will bring the game to a deuce, thus a mid point - not as significant as others.

To the point of PMing mid match. In our opinion, no one is responsible/obligated to answer mid match PMs. All the communication should be done before or after the match. While I don't like the fact that Adri decided to ignore Sh0 here, I certainly cannot condemn him for doing it. The first PM to him from Sh0 was calling him a cheat, not a good way to solicit mid match response in my eyes. Basically, you can do want you want - send PMs, but don't expect the opponent to reciprocate till the end of the match.

In order for us to property track players that are using cheesy tactics, you need to finish the match and file a complaint with the host. This complaint goes on players record that is accessible to all hosts. At that point, if that player has a few similar complaints host can make a decision, a right decision and either award you a WO or order a match replay or any other appropriate decision for that case. That is why it is important that the match is finished. We need to know that "that" shot was in context of ones tactic, rather that a press/release a wrong bottom at the wrong time.

I hope it is a bit clearer now, let me know if you have any questions, I'll do my best to respond.
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Postby Gotenkssan » Tue, 17 Jul 2012 20:00

Gotenkssan wrote:Awesome and close match. Great comback from Agassi :-)
And good news for the ITST Community: I saw some "Too late" or "Too soon" balls, that means our Sh0 is from earth too..

Großartig gespielt Kollege Adri. Respekt.

Gotenkssan

PS: Thanks for the upload.


Ohh... i should have watched the whole match first... Even if it was a power slice, the weaker acting was ignoring the opponent writing a message.... I would agree, and play match again at 2-2 in the 4th.... The sporty solution is always the best.
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Postby VMoe86 » Tue, 17 Jul 2012 20:17

All discuss about the forehand power slice, but nobody mentions the game at 4-3, 30-0, in the third set -- this is where Sh0Case lost it mentally.
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Postby swifty512 » Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:40

There is nothing cheesy about a forehand slice...just because you dont see it often, doesnt mean its cheating

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxXgyMRvjVg
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Postby swifty512 » Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:43

and congrats to Adri_stinker, ignore sh0case - he is just a nutcase and doesnt like it when things dont go his way.
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Postby DennieFR1908 » Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:10

To bad you ruin a great match like that over 1 powerslice sh0Case.. Your reaction is just childish I hope you learned from this and dont ruin a match because of 1 point anymore.. (btw that ball was awesome)
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Postby BrushedBigJJ » Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:20

I'm confused. I thought you were suppose to wait for your opponent if you can tell they aren't playing for whatever reason. I saw quick serving going on when he could tell no one was there. What's the rule on this? If my controller dies or I have to answer the door is my opponent allowed to take as many points as he/she can get. :shock:
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Postby djarvik » Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:29

BrushedBigJJ wrote:I'm confused. I thought you were suppose to wait for your opponent if you can tell they aren't playing for whatever reason. I saw quick serving going on when he could tell no one was there. What's the rule on this? If my controller dies or I have to answer the door is my opponent allowed to take as many points as he/she can get. :shock:


Unfortunately -yes. Some people may accommodate and wait for you, other won't.

Reason? Because if we make this a rule, suddenly, everyone's batteries will be dying on crucial points and the door bell will ring every 10 minutes as well as endless bathroom breaks will be taken.

It is not practical to have that rule. There WILL be people exploiting it and there will be no end to it.

Before the match, everyone needs to make sure he has sufficient batteries and time to play.

If interruption occurs, it is a good etiquette to wait for the opponent, but not mandatory.

In this particular case, I think Adri decided not to respond because of the disappointment with the first PM from Sh0case, basically calling him a cheat. As I said, not a good way to accomplish anything.


P.S. - you can always agree with your opponent to take a 5 minute break mid match. As long as both agree to take it via ITST PM in advance, so the host doesn't have to guess who is lying when one opponent says he didn't agree to that.
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Postby esorcista » Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:36

At what point of the video is the point that are you talking about?
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