Realistic Stats

[Gotenkssan]

TS4 is good as it is, a lot of people don't complain about it. There are almost 10 people who complain here, and a big silent majority who doesn't want changes, and doesn't express their point of view...

Instead of creating these boring topics, just play the game as it is, or find another game (Tennis Elbow on PC is very good, more realistic than TS4, and a lot of updates).

I don't agree with you. The people who come to this site love the game and want it to become as near as possible to real tennis. And i enjoy the set of rules of ITST.... If you don't want reduce the unreal Setup of your players than go and play the world tour.

I think the thoughts of ban extreme stats are a good idea and every real tennis fan will do so aswell...

[Ary1g]

Hosts and moderators, what you think about my ideia? i noticed you guys have stayed akwardly quiet on this matter, its a simple ideia, it will remove a lot of the unrealistic setups and it will still let people come up whit great builds.

I would even let my welch go if would make the game fairer but there´s no is way in hell im using a ´´realistic`` player if my opponent is using a 94 volley, or a 98/98 or a 90 speed or a 90/90 wings.

I know we have the SIM tour, and honestly i love the SIM tour, the game might be slower but you can actually see who´s better and who just realies on a OP build. But we cant just let REG tour keep going as it is and im sure a lot of people agree with me on that.

Why do TS3 had a 40/90 stats rule and TS4 dont? its because of Rabari and Welch i guess? then ban these 2 coaches, done i just solved a lot if not all of ITST REG tour problems.

Look i know this isnt as simple as im making it out to be, but hell it doesnt hurt to try does it?

The ATP finals and the season end are coming, after that maybe we can have a rule test tournament? just trying some diferent rules, maybe the 2/2/2 one, maybe my of realistic stats.

Everyone who comes to this website and i mean EVERYONE loves top spin, a lot of people complain that TS4 isnt as good and as realistic as TS3 is, but no one tries to change stuff and when do try to change stuff like Aryg they get bashed, look im not siding with him god forbid i have to download a PDF or have a print of what stats i can use but if a lot of people are complaining maybe they do have a point you know?

BTW: i dont any rule will change the tour so much, who is losing now will continue to lose and the same goes for who wins.

Simply the best I've read here at the forum! Even the god forbid part toward me Forget my ideas. This is the first one we should try out!

Just to mention some things this suggestion will do.

Highest serve 90(Roddick) Removes a lot of insane serve builds.

Highest volley 90(Sampras) Means that you wont be able to have more than 90 serve and 89 volley. (Only one build with 90 volley, and it has 85 serve)

Highest power 91(Roddick) It will remove the 98/98 serve/power build, and remove many of Babb, and Rabaris most powerful builds.

Highest speed 92(Chang) Removes Slavinas most powerful builds, and frankly, you don't need higher speed than 92.

Hghest reflexes 83(Murray) Removes Claire Roberts' most powerful builds.

Highest wings FH+BH 172(Agassi) Very elegantly removes Welch' most powerful build. (Maybe even set the limit at 170 imo. Max 85/85 wings)

Don't see anything bad with having a rule testing tournament with this rule. After a tournament like this, we would have much more information about how it works in-game and have more pros and cons to decide if there should be anything done permanently.

[Fifa Tee]

I don't think capping stats on the regular tour makes any sense. Its for people to use their setups and all overpowered setups can be beaten. Loki, isnt it you who says the "smarter player wins" and beats more or less everyone, I'm surprised you came up with this idea.

[LokiSharpShootr]

I don't think capping stats on the regular tour makes any sense. Its for people to use their setups and all overpowered setups can be beaten. Loki, isnt it you who says the "smarter player wins" and beats more or less everyone, I'm surprised you came up with this idea.

Hmm, you´re right dude i guess sometimes i get carried away on the forums and ideias because i keep hearing people complaining about TS4 and i love the game so i throw some ideias that might make the game ´´better`` for everyone.

But you know what, these people that cry that TS4 is unrealistic and unfair and blablabla will keep on complaining no matter what happens, because in videogames as in life there will always be losers and winners and the losers will always get butt-hurt.

[Sh0Case]

Why isn't there a tour for the real pros in the game?

[Ary1g]

Why isn't there a tour for the real pros in the game?

To little variation I guess, also Federer, Nadal, Murray, Djokovic, Agassi, Roddick seems stronger than most other pro players in the game imo, so most people would probably be using one of them.

[jayl0ve]

...kinda like how most people seem to use the same 2 or 3 custom character builds??

[LokiSharpShootr]

Duuuude Becker is by far the best pro player IMO.

[Ary1g]

Duuuude Becker is by far the best pro player IMO.

Okay, I havent tried him at all, so I wouldnt know

[Ary1g]

...kinda like how most people seem to use the same 2 or 3 custom character builds??

In some way, but I don't think it's comparable to how the regular tour is at this point. For instance, I don't think any of the mentioned pro players are overpowered in any way. In the regular tour you have Welsh. Just to mention one. It's just too much to have such incredible wings, and control shots are just to powerful when having such good wings. A flat control shot can hit insane angles with a 90 wing, to not mention 95+. You can(or at least almost), for example, hit the lines closer to the net with a flat control shot than with a drop shot! Where's the realism in that? If you have one wing you can do that with, it should be more than enough. The people wanting more equal wings, should not be able to have as good wings as the people who want's to have one amazing wing.

I think that if we use this rule, which will very effectively rule out the most powerful setups here, we will give chance to new coaches and builds to have a winning chance.

And to the staff. What's the big deal with not having a rule test tournament? This rule is the best I've seen and almost none of you have even bothered to say anything about it. Since I don't see any at all good arguments against this. I really don't see any good reason for not having a test tournament. It's a simple thing. This one tournament may silent me forever too. One of the arguments you have used against my suggestions have been that it's not needed. Here's what I want to say about that argument: If it's not needed and you are so sure about it, why hesitate having a test tournament to silent everyone that starts discussions about this every now and then? You could be done with this matter within a month.

I have said it before and I'll say it again. If it's "too much work" for you, then give me access to organize a tournament and I will do all the work for a test tournament like this. When it's done, I will go back to a normal user again.
If the feedback says that it's not needed, then I will be forever silent on this subject!

[Saarbrigga]

Yow, i was talking to a friend of mine about TS and we´re discussing what would be realistic stats and he came up with this amazing ideia that i want to share with you guys

Maybe we should limit the stats to the Pro ones, like this:
highest serve 90(Roddick)
highest volley 90(Sampras)
highest power 91(Roddick)
highest speed 92(Chang)
highest reflexes 83(Murray)
highest wings FH+BH 172(Agassi)

So what you think??? i think people would stop complaining about unrealistic setups(i hope) and it would make the regular tour more like the SIM one without making it slow and limiting our coaches(no hate i like SIM).

Very good idea!

Just played the MS final in Thailand...opponent 100 power, 91 service...that s it. You feel like playing a gorilla, not a human being. The power is simply to good, no realistic player ever has or had a strenght of 100, not even Roddick or Phillipoussis.

My opponent did nothing forbidden so it s ok, but for the future the ITST bosses should think about it (power maximum 91 etc.).


Cheers

[jayl0ve]

Honestly, I want to play a gorilla in tennis...

[Ary1g]

Honestly, I want to play a gorilla in tennis...

Can you give me a response on what I wrote to you?

[jayl0ve]

Ok...you say that people will only use a few characters for a 'Pro tour' right??

But then in the next sentence you say that none of the pros are 'OP'd like the custom characters are....ok...then why would people use the same 3 or 4 pros if they're all so balanced??

To me it seems like you contradicted yourself there, so I didn't even know what to say...

[Ary1g]

Ok...you say that people will only use a few characters for a 'Pro tour' right??

But then in the next sentence you say that none of the pros are 'OP'd like the custom characters are....ok...then why would people use the same 3 or 4 pros if they're all so balanced??

To me it seems like you contradicted yourself there, so I didn't even know what to say...

Okay, what I meant was that none of the pro players have extreme strengths that are just unrealistic and they are not waay better than other pro players, just a little better. They have strengths that are good, but they have all been adjusted to not become too OP like some custom characters can become. Like Federer's serve in the game is set at 60, which don't reflect reality at all, but they did it because he would become way to overpowered with a good serve stat on top of his other attributes.

Now, some of the very annoying and OP builds of custom characters don't have so much regulation and the developers didnt have just 20 characters to create and make sure was balanced to a certain degree, so some are not balanced at all to what the rest of custom builds are and to reality.

We can also do the math and see that pro players are much more balanced by far than custom players. Like say, 6 out of 20 pro players are stronger than the rest. While in custom players we have maybe 20 out of 200 builds in custom players that are stronger than the rest (These are just some numbers I think reflects how the balance is). These numbers gives the pro players 30% and the custom players 10%. If we can find a rule which bans the most powerful custom builds, we'll get a more balanced tour and a tour where there might be a much higher percentage of builds that are amongst the strongest than there is now.