power more then 80 ruins the game

[Savo7en]

i've found when up against these power players, who have volley and reflexes of about 40 something each, you need to try and get them into the net. Just playing baseline rallies plays into their hands, learn to use drop shots efficiently and you'll bring them out of their comfort zone, that way you can take advantage of their weaknesses.

Like someone said above, any extreme player will have weaknesses, and it is upto their opponent to exploit them.

What people dont like is that they might have to change their normal game in order to do this.

You cant play the same way against every single player!!!

[VillaJ100]

thats right. I think the drop shot is a great weapon in ts4 to bring people to the net, and then be passed

[pfnerch]

i've found when up against these power players, who have volley and reflexes of about 40 something each, you need to try and get them into the net. Just playing baseline rallies plays into their hands, learn to use drop shots efficiently and you'll bring them out of their comfort zone, that way you can take advantage of their weaknesses.

Like someone said above, any extreme player will have weaknesses, and it is upto their opponent to exploit them.

What people dont like is that they might have to change their normal game in order to do this.

You cant play the same way against every single player!!!

thats sure but playing 100 stops in a game is boring too. sometimes its funny but every third point sucks like slice every time. thats only my opinion a everbody can play his style don't get me wrong. power about 80 is no prob but power 85 or higher is hard to handle.

[Savo7en]

But what you might find, is that by throwing in drop shots and slices here and there is that your powerful opponent might try and change their game to counter the drop shot style you are using. This will bring them in from the baseline as they'll be wary of drop shots and give you more chances to play short crossing shots or deep shots down the line.

If not then you've got to make a decision as to carry on with your own game and get beaten by power shots, and more than likely lose the match; or play like a pro would and change your game to suit your opponents weaknesses. your call!!

i know i'd much rather change my style and enjoy winning or lose and sulk about it!!

[ANILTJE]

Well Pfnerch. You played yesterday with a guy of 86 power and 90 on forehand. Which is a pretty hardcorse setup too

Yes it's then difficult to beat a player like that. But I beat you 7-5 6-1. . It means you need to anticipate much more on the shots the other is going to hit.

I do agree the game feels more one dimensional when there is a guy with such stats.
Specially as there are no errors you just see winners.

[pfnerch]

Well Pfnerch. You played yesterday with a guy of 86 power and 90 on forehand. Which is a pretty hardcorse setup too

Yes it's then difficult to beat a player like that. But I beat you 7-5 6-1. . It means you need to anticipate much more on the shots the other is going to hit.

I do agree the game feels more one dimensional when there is a guy with such stats.
Specially as there are no errors you just see winners.

Yes i know Anil. its maybe ok playing power 85 but its shit playing 98 or 100. against a guy with 85 you can win but you are a top player in ITST a im a average player

[Baghdad Baghdatis]

Well Pfnerch. You played yesterday with a guy of 86 power and 90 on forehand. Which is a pretty hardcorse setup too

Yes it's then difficult to beat a player like that. But I beat you 7-5 6-1. . It means you need to anticipate much more on the shots the other is going to hit.

I do agree the game feels more one dimensional when there is a guy with such stats.
Specially as there are no errors you just see winners.

Yes i know Anil. its maybe ok playing power 85 but its **** playing 98 or 100. against a guy with 85 you can win but you are a top player in ITST a im a average player

Well Pfnerch I posted no to this vote, i.e. > 80 power is not fair however I cannot specifically say which is the right power level yet, 75, 80, 85 or 90 but I can appreciate that the higher the power the more unrealistic it becomes, and 98, come on

I posted my own response on the XBOX TS4 Tour thread:

http://www.intertopspintour.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14199

You and I share the same concept in common, we like decent rallies and players to use their brain out there on court. The way I see it is that players like you and I will always be able to have nice exhibitions online - play Puttu Puttuu, he is also a fantastic player and is very clever out there. Rocketts too. Also I have faith in ITST as always to get the tours right and create a SIM tour too if it become feasible.

Not played many other ITST players online, kind of being playing Jim Courier loads in the 2k Open and a bit of Career - slowly but surely I am creating my Iraqi wonder. He is at level 16 at the moment and will be an all rounder. > 6 in S&V and most xp's on defensive baseliner

P.s. Anil is a legend of this site, a very clever player as we all know. The guy has not even been to the toilet once since he bought TS4 so don't get too worried just yet

Anil - It is only a matter of time till I get you buddy!

[ANILTJE]

Haha. I know that in a few weeks eveybody us very good. The game is just rather easy to pick up.....might be a good thing. Might be a bad thing. Not sure.

[o Sinna o]

Nonsense talk.

[Hamburgerboy27]

No Setup Rules=Bye Bye ITST.
I sure ITST lose many Players when come not a Setup Rules in the next Times...TS4 need Setup Rules!

I want not play 90-100 Setups by ITST and i hope off a Sim Tour in the next Times...please make this ITST the Game is perfect for a Sim Tour!!!

[Moralspain]

No Setup Rules=Bye Bye ITST.
I sure ITST lose many Players when come not a Setup Rules in the next Times...TS4 need Setup Rules!

I want not play 90-100 Setups by ITST and i hope off a Sim Tour in the next Times...please make this ITST the Game is perfect for a Sim Tour!!!

patience

[Baghdad Baghdatis]

No Setup Rules=Bye Bye ITST.
I sure ITST lose many Players when come not a Setup Rules in the next Times...TS4 need Setup Rules!

I want not play 90-100 Setups by ITST and i hope off a Sim Tour in the next Times...please make this ITST the Game is perfect for a Sim Tour!!!

patience

Yup Xavi knows the score, I put my trust in you man to deliver, you and the team always do...I know it, it takes time.

I know there will be a SIM tour eventually and I cannot wait. However similarly I am looking forward to the normal tour just as much in the interim, although no such much looking forward to watching the 200mph bombs sail past me with no creative tennis

[Coolhand Texas]

No Setup Rules=Bye Bye ITST.
I sure ITST lose many Players when come not a Setup Rules in the next Times...TS4 need Setup Rules!

I want not play 90-100 Setups by ITST and i hope off a Sim Tour in the next Times...please make this ITST the Game is perfect for a Sim Tour!!!

You all have to wait. The first tournament hasn't even started yet and people want to keep making rules for everything. Give the game some time, maybe you will find a way to counter whatever you are having problems with.

If not then let the managers have some time to get together. You know they only have the best interest of the tour in mind. So what they decided will be good.

[o Sinna o]

No Setup Rules=Bye Bye ITST.
I sure ITST lose many Players when come not a Setup Rules in the next Times...TS4 need Setup Rules!

I want not play 90-100 Setups by ITST and i hope off a Sim Tour in the next Times...please make this ITST the Game is perfect for a Sim Tour!!!

Yeah and if we can't use legit Characters I say the same. Because I don't want that you ruin the Game only because a few Guys are afraid to play against a few extreme Setups and have no Clue at all. I won't get forced to use a crappy Character I don't want to play with because the Game was mage they way how it is now and it's damn good.

The Game is sim! And the Game has a Balance with that we are able to be competitive with different characters.

[Baghdad Baghdatis]

No Setup Rules=Bye Bye ITST.
I sure ITST lose many Players when come not a Setup Rules in the next Times...TS4 need Setup Rules!

I want not play 90-100 Setups by ITST and i hope off a Sim Tour in the next Times...please make this ITST the Game is perfect for a Sim Tour!!!

Yeah and if we can't use legit Characters I say the same. Because I don't want that you ruin the Game only because a few Guys are afraid to play against a few extreme Setups and have no Clue at all. I won't get forced to use a crappy Character I don't want to play with because the Game was mage they way how it is now and it's damn good.

The Game is sim! And the Game has a Balance with that we are able to be competitive with different characters.

Hey Sinna,

I think you are missing the point - you have to have had experience of playing the tours to know what we are talking about. I agree with Luke (Coolhand) in that it is early days and ITST will get it right. There is no real doubt about that.

It has nothing to do with players being "afraid" of playing big setups - if this were the case we might as well go home now. For the connoisseurs of ITST who like balanced tennis and love constructive rallies with varied shot execution the idea of big stats just does not float peoples boats. I am absolutely not saying what that level should be so do not get too worried that ITST will come down on it, they appreciate people like power etc and usually it is reduced down to a level that is "playable".

I played the 90-40 tour with a toned down set up, I won 5 titles (albeit challengers) and reach QF's / SF's of grand slams but hated the level of play. Others don't, thats fair enough. Hence why the SIM tour was created - so it is not a "select few", you will find that a vast majority of the site embrace this very philosophy - also hence why most people voted "No" to tis poll. Once I left 90-40 I went to SIM and shot to number 1 with creative play and the tour was amazing, rallies were intense, long lasting and required you to out think your opponent. However I appreciate that this is not for everyone and hence why 90-40 still lived on.

The same will happen to TS4 to some degree, a cap will come at sensible level and in my opinion once caps are placed I found that, like in TS3, your game will develop as you are forced to be creative if you want to be compete with the best - suddenly no longer will a big stick serve down the 'T' with 103 power and 103 serve become an easy option to hold serve when the cap is in place, more placement and then already thinking about your next point after your opponent returns etc. Not relying on an ace or love service games.

Put your big stats in the hands of Rae, Puttu, Anil, Djarvik, Hamburger etc and you will be pleasantly surprised suddenly how strong they are in comparison to an average player (not saying you are) with big stats.

Anyway, shout me for a game on XBL, my Custom is an All Rounder with...

51 FH
71 BH
80 SE
50 VO
71 PO
74 SO
74 ST
57 RT

He is only on 19 level at the moment, so if you like to use the Pro's perhaps a few fun matches there to be had.

Baggy