Final clarifications about sim tour

[ray237]

Here the questions:
-is wide slice serving (from the middle) allowed?
-are fh slices allowed (in case of approach to the net or in defensive mode)?
-is always returning in the same way cheese? Often happens that your opp finds a good return shot and always uses it because it's overpowered. i'm not talking about glitch returns, but about some kind of return shots that can be executed from everywhere and against every kind of serve, like the cross shot return (one opp used it in every point just because i'm i was using a s&v setup and i cant do a lot to counter that tactic...)

[emate007]

Do you play tennis?

[ray237]

Do you play tennis?

Yeah i play real tennis, but i think that some things are a lot different. There are certain things that are allowed in real tennis but not in itst because in the game they're cheese. For example, i can do tram line serve in real tennis. So i'm asking for clarifications because some cheese statements are not 100% clear.
Remember also that all are fair players in the forum, but in the matches lots of itst players use annoying tactics just because they're not clearly mentioned in the cheese statement topic, or find new cheese tactics, believing that they're fair just because those tactics are still unknown by most of players.
For example: i was about beating a top player (in reg tour), but he managed to win the match thanks to his tram line serving during break points and the tiebreak. So he says: i'm fair, i used tram line serving just a few times.

[emate007]

I meant no offense, and I think you already know the answer to your initial questions.

There are no concrete rules for any of the questions you asked. But if you're a tennis player or fan you already know what is ridiculous, and what is less ridiculous (still a videogame!).

The management team here has always favored the philosophy of "less regulation is better."
I disagreed at first, but have come to appreciate the principle. More rules = more problems, more complaints, more frustration for everybody involved.
And, counter to basic logic, more regulations would INCREASE the gray area for hosts making decisions. If both players complain about the other breaking 2 rules per match regardless of who won, the whole point of ITST is broken.

My point was this: people who love tennis should already know what is acceptable behavior. Everything you asked in your first post is allowed in SIM. The guys testing these players have worked very hard to make each player competitive, keeping the "fair play statement" in mind.

If you feel someone is abusing an exploit in the game during a SIM match, tell the host immediately after the match. Not all problems with TS4 can be solved with the SIM tour, but we want to plug as many holes as possible.

[RainingAmoeba79]

The thing is,that TS4 is just NOT a good game. It is not well designed/developed, like TS3 was. And i think that even though i never played in SIM!

[Ary1g]

-is always returning in the same way cheese? Often happens that your opp finds a good return shot and always uses it because it's overpowered. i'm not talking about glitch returns, but about some kind of return shots that can be executed from everywhere and against every kind of serve, like the cross shot return (one opp used it in every point just because i'm i was using a s&v setup and i cant do a lot to counter that tactic...)

Was it a deep or short return? Short returns is quite difficult to S&V on(because they're often to low to volley effectively), so I found the best solution against these returns is to not S&V all the time. If you get a short return when you're NOT running towards the net, you will get plenty of time to prepare a strong shot which much likely will be a winner(if placed good) or a very good set-up shot for a volley(again if placed good). The trick is to crush your opponent mentally, so that when he/she starts returning deep, you start to serve and volley again. Bare in mind what someone posted on another thread here: "It's SERVE&volley. Serving good is not enough. You'll have to serve GREAT. You're opponent should be in trouble after your serve"
To sum up, it's a lot of tactic to consider, so being able to really mix it up and be able to use the player's strength in the course of a match is key to victory against the best players.

Personally I think that the serve position should be restricted all the time, like in sim-tour(start each set from the middle). Because no matter if you do it once during a match. The amount of speed you suddenly gain by going to the tramline just is not anywhere near reality. Have anyone ever seen a tennis player on the pro circuit that after serving from the middle all match, suddenly goes wide on a break point or game point to serve better and get an advantage?