Drop Shot Artist

by **trulyinfemous** » Sat, 20 Aug 2011 02:38

I know this debate has gone on before, but I feel compelled to say my piece.

I don't know how Drop Shot Artist isn't a banned skill. It's seemingly faultless and if people on the back foot can hit perfect drop shots due to this skill it's clearly overpowered.

I have no issue with people trying drop shots and have no wish to cap the attempts at drop shots, but I feel that drop shots are a high risk/high reward sort of shot, and this skill negates the risk element.

As has been said many a time, we play this for fun, and if people have this skill and abuse it either all game or in clutch moments, it makes the experience less fun.

It's alway a last resort to ban coaches, but this skill is quite frankly ridiculous and I'm sure many agree.

Can we please have Drop Shot Artist join Monster Defence as a banned skill?

by **RainingAmoeba79** » Sat, 20 Aug 2011 05:20

TBH, good players can hit perfect drop shots whenever they want, even without the skill. it is not the skill that is the problem, it is the player who is overusing the Dropper (more than 1 per game). I just wish ppl would stop abusing it!

by **reconskillsxx** » Sat, 20 Aug 2011 05:53

RainingAmoeba79 wrote:TBH, good players can hit perfect drop shots whenever they want, even without the skill. it is not the skill that is the problem, it is the player who is overusing the Dropper (more than 1 per game). I just wish ppl would stop abusing it!

I fullly agree with you. Good players can hit perfect drop shots all the time. Its the player who is over using not necessarily the skill Drop Shot Artist

by **Sanoww** » Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:04

Ok, so you guys think there's no difference between dropshots with Artist or the classics ones ? I find them waay more accurate and harder to catch, moreover I noticed they can dropshot on almost every position, which is just freakin' unreal.. I mean, even Dolgopolov can't hit these kinds of drops !

And it just confort players to abuse of it, because it's 'allowed" by a skill. They see 'Dropshot Artist" and THEN they figure and decide to overuse it.
I truly think that if this skill doesn't exist, there will be not that much dropshots berserkers.

mtc

by **RainingAmoeba79** » Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:27

Well, according to WT, you are wrong :lol:

Look, I agree they are better than normal,but the real thing is the fact that ppl are using it wrong. I am sure no one will mind someone hitting awesome droppers, but when you start doing it on the run, overusing it etc. it becomes cheesy.

by **jayl0ve** » Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:31

It's using it on the run and using it mindlessly like a rally ball that pisses me off.

I don't mind and actually usually can appreciate a good drop shot winner from my opponent but it gets annoying when it seems like they're doing them even when there's no chance of hitting a winner, and repeatedly.

by **RainingAmoeba79** » Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:37

Agreed Jayl0ve.

And also, 10 feet behind the baseline, scrambling to get a volley,and behold! A dropper that even when I am ON TOP of the net forces me to hit up.

by **ray237** » Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:35

Drop shot artist is a skill we can find in important setups (if you are a DB or an all-rounder, there are 2 very good setups that are good). It's an useless skill, because maybe with drop shot artist you can hit drop shot winners, but the real abuse is that you can hit one (with or without that skill) to open the court or to come out from very difficult situation in a very easy way.
It's like tram line serving, we can't ban the serve (lol), but a rule says that you must not abuse of it.

by **RainingAmoeba79** » Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:38

Agreed. And if it is banned, than all rounders who are struggling already will be even less powerful.

by **C4iLL** » Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:21

The skill itself provokes abuses but because it looks like it's used in a lot of good setups, i think it cannot be banned.

If yes, it would crush the variety of setups and everybody will play with just few setups...

So personally i'm for a suppression on a next patch, not a ban on ITST.

by **SBR Ironik** » Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:33

Yeah good point C4ill.

by **LokiSharpShootr** » Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:00

Yeah i wish ITST dont ban it beacause its on the setup i use, i hope in the next uptade they make it so that if u dont get a perfect timing the ball will float more like IRL tennis.

And also that u can only hit a good drop when ur guy is pressuring the oponnent and the ball stay close to the T line u know you never see pro´s doing drops from the baseline.

I think if they implemented those changes there would be a lot less of drop spammers.

by **ben-1802** » Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:09

I sometimes go a guy i created who has good speed good groundies but like 40 for power and you cant hit through anyone and so for me a dropshot is one of the only ways that you can win a point without relying on unforced errors. I dont even come close to overusing it but to want the skill banned is crazy and to be honest if your a good player and you keep gettin drop shots against you then by the end i will guarantee that you win atleast 30% of the points after someone drop shots you.

by **trulyinfemous** » Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:24

I agree with what you guys are saying in general.

Firstly, it should be on the player to not abuse it.

Secondly, it's on a good set up.

and Thirdly, it should be fixed in a patch and not be our problem.

HOWEVER.

1. Some people like winning too much to think about that. Also, people can often use the excuse of believing that it is normal and allowed to hit a drop shot or two every rally as soon as their opponent takes control from the baseline, citing it the 'only' way to negate a more powerful player.

2. Monster Defence is on a great set up in Jon Samala's and if it was possible to use Samala's set up without MD I'd be delighted, but I cannot. Some people should just swallow the fact like many have to do about the MD set ups.

3. However it isn't and this issue will still pervade to be an issue. Why isn't it addressed more harshly?

- I think that until it's addressed via patch, there should be some stringent controls with regards to the use of the skill.

I'm sorry that people like the set up, but honestly, the skill is as overpowered as Monster Defence is. It allows a user to hit an effective Drop Shot from anywhere on the court, be it reaching for a shot, on the backfoot, on the volley etc. It is way too effective to uphold the sim status of ITST.
I try and hit drop shots a fair amount, but as I do not have the user skill (alluded to above) nor do I have the set up skill of 'Artist' it often results in an out shot or into the net.
I played a game the other night in which someone with the Drop Shot Artist skill only failed to hit one, I repeat ONE, drop shot perfectly in about 70 attempts (not joking, you could count the rallies where it wasn't attempted on your fingers).
If someone without the 'Artist' skill attempted 70 Drop Shots from everywhere on the court, do you really believe only 1 would hit the net or go out?

How is it sim and in line with the core ethos of ITST?

It's not like you can pause the game and send a friendly message to a player about the issue.

It's not something that can be controlled between players, and only direct orders from management can stop this being an issue.

Either 'Artist' abusers are booted, or the skill is banned until it is fixed in a patch.

All I can say to those precious about the set up, is that if Monster Defence can be banned because it is unfair, why isn't Drop Shot Artist banned too?
With all the complaints about it being unfair why hasn't any action been taken? It is clearly unsim and cheese.

by **edlglide** » Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:08

trulyinfemous wrote:I'm sorry that people like the set up, but honestly, the skill is as overpowered as Monster Defence is. It allows a user to hit an effective Drop Shot from anywhere on the court, be it reaching for a shot, on the backfoot, on the volley etc. It is way too effective to uphold the sim status of ITST.

It's nowhere near as overpowered as MD for two simple reasons.

First, MD is automatic. It's ALWAYS active on every single shot the player hits once that situation arises. Drop Short Artist only helps if the player hits a drop shot, so it's nothing like MD. Because doing things like hitting drop shots defensively on the run is cheesy and unrealistic, you can just report that to the host. If someone is abusing drop shots, that's not fair play and not allowed on ITST, so we can fix it. That's not true with MD.

Secondly, you don't need to have Drop Shot Artist as a skill to hit running defensive drop shots. It makes it easier, but it doesn't automatically make shots go in....and not having it doesn't mean you can't hit those shots. I've played offensive baseliners who hit crazy drop shots regularly, because as long as they have perfect timing it will still work. The complaints about the skill are really overblown; you don't need it to successfully execute absurd drop shots and having the skill doesn't mean you are going to hit drop shots every shot.

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