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Postby ray237 » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:34

I'm a s&v player, and the last 3 matches i played were against 3 different players with passing shot sniper and reaching swing expert. I think that it's unfair to study the opp's tactics reading posts on the forum or looking to the signature, etc.
It will be nice if each player can signup with a single created player and can't change it.
I know it can seem a crazy thing, but aren't we looking for the most realistic multiplayer experience? We ban md and tram line serving, but we let the player choose the best character to win against his opponent. I can understand if a player chooses different chars depending on the tournament court, but i think it's the most unrealistic thing changing the char every match.
And please don't tell me that i can do the same or that my playstyle is unrealistic on his own...
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Re: What about this?

Postby djarvik » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:43

ray237 wrote:I'm a s&v player, and the last 3 matches i played were against 3 different players with passing shot sniper and reaching swing expert. I think that it's unfair to study the opp's tactics reading posts on the forum or looking to the signature, etc.
It will be nice if each player can signup with a single created player and can't change it.
I know it can seem a crazy thing, but aren't we looking for the most realistic multiplayer experience? We ban md and tram line serving, but we let the player choose the best character to win against his opponent. I can understand if a player chooses different chars depending on the tournament court, but i think it's the most unrealistic thing changing the char every match.
And please don't tell me that i can do the same or that my playstyle is unrealistic on his own...


Not only I think it is fair, I think everyone should "scout" their opponent before the match. This is what is being done in real tennis and it is great we are actually able to do it. :wink:

We are simply not able to confine members to one player and somehow "police" that they are actually using this player match in and match out. This is not feasible.

I do however agree that this will be more realistic, but will it be more fun? ...to play a TS game for a year with one character? ...not change? Wouldn't you get bored? I would. It is a game after all.
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Re: What about this?

Postby ray237 » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:48

djarvik wrote:
ray237 wrote:I'm a s&v player, and the last 3 matches i played were against 3 different players with passing shot sniper and reaching swing expert. I think that it's unfair to study the opp's tactics reading posts on the forum or looking to the signature, etc.
It will be nice if each player can signup with a single created player and can't change it.
I know it can seem a crazy thing, but aren't we looking for the most realistic multiplayer experience? We ban md and tram line serving, but we let the player choose the best character to win against his opponent. I can understand if a player chooses different chars depending on the tournament court, but i think it's the most unrealistic thing changing the char every match.
And please don't tell me that i can do the same or that my playstyle is unrealistic on his own...


Not only I think it is fair, I think everyone should "scout" their opponent before the match. This is what is being done in real tennis and it is great we are actually able to do it. :wink:

We are simply not able to confine members to one player and somehow "police" that they are actually using this player match in and match out. This is not feasible.

I do however agree that this will be more realistic, but will it be more fun? ...to play a TS game for a year with one character? ...not change? Wouldn't you get bored? I would. It is a game after all.

Not for 1 year... but just for the tourney. I know that real players change their tactics depending on the opp, but for example nadal will never use a serve and volley tactics. No real player can change his "statistics". They can use different shots and tactics, but their power and their weakness don't change.
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Postby djarvik » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:01

....so do ITST guys (most of them).

For example, if I know I am about to play SV and I am OFB with Neuwirth, I may switch to another OFB coach with Passing Shot Sniper or Crushing Passing Shot. I am essentially same style of player, but now I can employ different tactics.

I doubt your example of Nadal type of player will use SV type of player as your example illustrates.

Most of the times players will stay within their style, picking up a coach to help them deal with upcoming competition.

If anything, this should be encouraged, as it breaks the same-all-same-all cycle of players being used and brings variety to the tour.
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Postby Tuurbine » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:33

I wish I have done that earlier... i like scouting but i will surely need a guy ready to play against S and V players.

We also have two kinds of S and V players, those who do it mainly because they like it, and those who do do it mainly because its effective against a whole army of OB or DB...

So, we need the antidote ready for that 8) we cant just stand there and get our .... kicked dont you think?
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Postby reconskillsxx » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:35

It is more than fair to know about your opponent before the match although i don't do it because it doesnt matters if your better than the person you should win. Its that plain and simple
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Postby Dark-Disaster » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:57

It seems fine to me, just like scouting in real life. I'm sure he has to move out of his comfort zone if he is using a completely different playstyle.
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Postby RainingAmoeba79 » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:26

I agree with OP. Some people want to contribute to the ITST community, and post on the forum. I would be fine if everyone posted on the forum, but then if some people do not it gives them an unfair advantage of not being scouted. I am seriously thinking of stopping posting so i can play a non welch char.
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Postby ray237 » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:00

RainingAmoeba79 wrote:I agree with OP. Some people want to contribute to the ITST community, and post on the forum. I would be fine if everyone posted on the forum, but then if some people do not it gives them an unfair advantage of not being scouted. I am seriously thinking of stopping posting so i can play a non welch char.

I agree. In some topics i clearly wrote the tactic against a s&v player and then i lost 3 matches in a row against anti-s&v players. I'll never post about my tactics and i will change my play style then.
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Re: What about this?

Postby C4iLL » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:32

djarvik wrote:
We are simply not able to confine members to one player and somehow "police" that they are actually using this player match in and match out. This is not feasible.

I do however agree that this will be more realistic, but will it be more fun? ...to play a TS game for a year with one character? ...not change? Wouldn't you get bored? I would. It is a game after all.


In the TS1 tour, you had to show your character setup on your profile because you could not change every day your character (check the database i'm sure you can find something about what I say).

ps : personally I think it was a good idea, because it helped the newbie to get a good character, and it adds some realism.

ps 2 : furthermore, i would make the report mandatory to help the newsers team making the site more "alive"
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Postby djarvik » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:47

I am well aware of this. But this time we will not do it. Many reasons really, just don't want to get into it all of them at moment. But for the sake of example; some of them are the complexity of characters that are in TS4. TS1 had only so many options and there was a star system that was easy to use and implement. Right now, the implementation alone will take ages, then updating this upon request from 300 MS players on Xbox 100 WS players, 320 PS3 MS players and 100 WS players. The river of constant update requests will be too much....

...letting players update it themselves will defeat the purpose. Setting up some sorta of timer on when the players could help, but that will require further programing, implementation, rules, explanation to newcomers and generally very restrictive approach to the tour.

...then the "I don't want to play this player because of his character" stuff will start. Followed closely with "labeling" certain players for their character use, forum fights....more policing....

Right now it is easy, use anything you want within the confinements of rules. That's it.

I also don't "believe" into keeping secrets when it comes to Top Spin games. I was always and will be always eager to help to anyone who asks. There really should not be secrets in execution when it comes to Top Spin if you ask me. The skill of the player knowing the options should determine the best player, rather then a secret button combo. Much like in real tennis, it is all comes down to a skill of executing the necessary plays.
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Postby Ranma_Sao » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 22:54

I agree with Ray. When you play with one player you should stick to him until the end of tournament. Because of my recent results, many people know I play SV now they start to create specific build to counter SV like my last opponent Ex-Storma. He played me for the first time but obviously he knew what kind of player I play 'cause he had a fatality+ passing shot sniper combo.He defeated me hardly in Mercury Insurance Open to win his first tournament but clearly he took advantage from knowing my setup.That's why I didn't post anything at the beginning on forum and didn't put anything about my playstyle on match report until recently. Now if I see someone picking anti SV setup, am I allowed to swap for another setup like baseliner? If that's not the case then it's unfair !
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Postby OuiMr BersonBANNED » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 23:04

You guys are crazy :shock:
You change your characters all the time :lol:

I will never change my character even if I'm losing so bad
I'm too sentimental :lol:

for example, I was playing with the same character (and bkristian too) when bkristian trash me at Roland garros 6-1 6-0 and when I beat him (1 month later) in Wimbledon.

To conclude I think the character don't give a big advantage.
If you are better you will win.
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Postby Indiantonike » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 23:22

What do you think about just training more instead of whining each time you loose ?
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Postby Alex-4487 » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 23:23

Ranma_Sao wrote:I agree with Ray. When you play with one player you should stick to him until the end of tournament. Because of my recent results, many people know I play SV now they start to create specific build to counter SV like my last opponent Ex-Storma. He played me for the first time but obviously he knew what kind of player I play 'cause he had a fatality+ passing shot sniper combo.He defeated me hardly in Mercury Insurance Open to win his first tournament but clearly he took advantage from knowing my setup.That's why I didn't post anything at the beginning on forum and didn't put anything about my playstyle on match report until recently. Now if I see someone picking anti SV setup, am I allowed to swap for another setup like baseliner? If that's not the case then it's unfair !


whos whining now :mrgreen:
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