TI/MD should be allowed again...

[MrMackNasty]

No its not like this. Before the patch i played with samala vs ti/md good players and i was losing. Now after the patch i won all the matches vs them!!!

I even beat Mrberson today...

Even if you were losing prepatch Ti/Md was toned down slightly after the patch.. Your IR/MD wasn't really at all.

[Robbin92]

No its not like this. Before the patch i played with samala vs ti/md good players and i was losing. Now after the patch i won all the matches vs them!!!

I even beat Mrberson today...

Maybe its because Samala isn't adjusted in the patch and this setup is now overrated?
Just keep it this way, more variety in players.
If we allow these setups again the only thing you will see is Samala/PQJ.

[DennieFR1908]

I agree. Monster Defense is just another skill that's very usefull, just like for excample drop shot artist, good serve or high power player.

It's not realistic to ban these coaches just because some people complain about a skill. There will always be new things that gives you advantage. MD is just a really good skill to defend against power players.. Now I have to use a powerplayer myselve, so I can still overcome them.

Besides, the MD/TI was as good as it was maybe more because FH/BH stat was so high, and this is changed now.. these coaches are carfully been updated so there is absolutely no need anymore to ban these coaches, it only make things more difficult because you disable weaknessess of some other coaches, giving them extra advantage, so actually it disorders the game.

[chillachriz]

I agree. Monster Defense is just another skill that's very usefull, just like for excample drop shot artist, good serve or high power player.

It's not realistic just ban these coaches just because some people complain about a skill. There will always be new things that gives you advantage. MD is just a really good skill to defend against power players.. Now I have to use a powerplayer myselve, so I can still overcome them.

Besides, the MD/TI was as good as it was maybe more because FH/BH stat was so high high, and this is changed now.. these coaches are carfully been updated so there is absolutely no need anymore to ban these coaches, it only make things more difficult because you disable weaknessess of some other coaches, giving them extra advantage, so actually it disorders the game.

1000% agree !!!

[RainingAmoeba79]

Dude, Ti/MDshould stay banned!! MD is reallly overpoered,,,,, Everytime you manage to get a break point, they suddenly turn into nadal hitting extreme angles at will!

[chillachriz]

Dude, Ti/MDshould stay banned!! MD is reallly overpoered,,,,, Everytime you manage to get a break point, they suddenly turn into nadal hitting extreme angles at will!

i have no probs to beat players with TI/MD on WT!!

my coach have only TI and i win... so its posible...

[MrMackNasty]

Dude, Ti/MDshould stay banned!! MD is reallly overpoered,,,,, Everytime you manage to get a break point, they suddenly turn into nadal hitting extreme angles at will!

i have no probs to beat players with TI/MD on WT!!

my coach have only TI and i win... so its posible...

Its very possible. I just played some mouse guy(ranked 34 lifetime) and smacked in 3-0 3-0 in a tourney. I could create the same if not better angles than him with my IR/CPS

[Dynushi]

Only because its now possible to beat them, doesnt mean they aren't overpowered!

Still the craziest angles are possible with both ti/md and ir/md like no other setup, even drew welsh(18 points in db, HUGE FH/BH) does not provide such angles. Thats why it's overpowered. Plus now having 80+ Stamina with ir/md after the patch is playing a role as well.

And...of course all you guys that used these overpowered coaches and won no matter what your opponents did before itst forbid it are now complaining...i totally understand...u guys just want to be overpowered, thats it!

[DennieFR1908]

Only because its now possible to beat them, doesnt mean they aren't overpowered!

Still the craziest angles are possible with both ti/md and ir/md like no other setup, even drew welsh(18 points in db, HUGE FH/BH) does not provide such angles. Thats why it's overpowered. Plus now having 80+ Stamina with ir/md after the patch is playing a role as well.

And...of course all you guys that used these overpowered coaches and won no matter what your opponents did before itst forbid it are now complaining...i totally understand...u guys just want to be overpowered, thats it!

I'm not the one complaining, I don't care wich coach I use because I got skills myself. With MD you get the craziest angels, with DS artist the craziest DS, with 100 power the craziest power, with 96 serve the craziest serve.. what's the difference? If I wan't i could DS every point perfectly with that Welch guy, why isn't he banned? A guy with 100 for power is also impossible, should he be banned to?

I don't care if my opponent plays with MD or whetever. You are the one complaining because you probably can't handle them, don't turn things around please. What you are actually trying to say is ppl only beat you because of MD.. that's weak man don't blame the coach blame your skills!

[Coolhand Texas]

Only because its now possible to beat them, doesnt mean they aren't overpowered!

Still the craziest angles are possible with both ti/md and ir/md like no other setup, even drew welsh(18 points in db, HUGE FH/BH) does not provide such angles. Thats why it's overpowered. Plus now having 80+ Stamina with ir/md after the patch is playing a role as well.

And...of course all you guys that used these overpowered coaches and won no matter what your opponents did before itst forbid it are now complaining...i totally understand...u guys just want to be overpowered, thats it!

I'm not the one complaining, I don't care wich coach I use because I got skills myself. With MD you get the craziest angels, with DS artist the craziest DS, with 100 power the craziest power, with 96 serve the craziest serve.. what's the difference? If I wan't i could DS every point perfectly with that Welch guy, why isn't he banned? A guy with 100 for power is also impossible, should he be banned to?

I don't care if my opponent plays with MD or whetever. You are the one complaining because you probably can't handle them, don't turn things around please. What you are actually trying to say is ppl only beat you because of MD.. that's weak man don't blame the coach blame your skills!

yeah, but then you would called on being cheesy which is not allowed

[Immortal Strife]

Only because its now possible to beat them, doesnt mean they aren't overpowered!

Still the craziest angles are possible with both ti/md and ir/md like no other setup, even drew welsh(18 points in db, HUGE FH/BH) does not provide such angles. Thats why it's overpowered. Plus now having 80+ Stamina with ir/md after the patch is playing a role as well.

And...of course all you guys that used these overpowered coaches and won no matter what your opponents did before itst forbid it are now complaining...i totally understand...u guys just want to be overpowered, thats it!

I'm not the one complaining, I don't care wich coach I use because I got skills myself. With MD you get the craziest angels, with DS artist the craziest DS, with 100 power the craziest power, with 96 serve the craziest serve.. what's the difference? If I wan't i could DS every point perfectly with that Welch guy, why isn't he banned? A guy with 100 for power is also impossible, should he be banned to?

I don't care if my opponent plays with MD or whetever. You are the one complaining because you probably can't handle them, don't turn things around please. What you are actually trying to say is ppl only beat you because of MD.. that's weak man don't blame the coach blame your skills!

yeah, but then you would called on being cheesy which is not allowed

Ti/md can be countered post patch...Yes, it is still strong but, there are plenty of set-ups that are difficult to play againt. Open up the game and allow all types of players again. Monster defense is not the all end all anymore, just look at the WT there are many players who are successful using a veriety of set-ups.

[OuiMr BersonBANNED]

I don't play with that a lot (only WT) , so I'm not very well placed to speak about that but for me TI/MD is still overpowered.

[Immortal Strife]

WT=World Tour not Womens Tour...it's not over power, just let it go and move on. The stats were reduced for ti/md to balance the game. Yet, it's still overpowered? Again let it go...your lament it based on your own experience and frustration, that opinion does not represent the whole top spin community.

[ike 0]

you shouldn't compare itst and the world tour. In the world tour we can have 100 wins in a row, not on itst.
The difficulty is not the same, in % there's more good players in itst.

[OuiMr BersonBANNED]

WT=World Tour not Womens Tour...it's not over power, just let it go and move on. The stats were reduced for ti/md to balance the game. Yet, it's still overpowered? Again let it go...your lament it based on your own experience and frustration, that opinion does not represent the whole top spin community.

I know what mean WT

when I'm focused , I have no problem winning people with TI/MD or Samala but I think TI/MD and Samala are still overpowered.

Of course , it's just my opinion but I don't think I'm the only one who thinks that.