Ban attributes exceeding 90? Poll. Vote please

[RainingAmoeba79]

It is just the way the game is built I am afraid.

Agreed. The only solution would be to create two separate tours - one with very few limits, and one with a custom made roster that has a variety of balanced players. If only someone would create such a tour........

[djarvik]

Roman Neuwrith, Snezlana Slavina. There are probable two more.

It is just the way the game is built I am afraid. There will always be around 4 coaches that are better then the rest. No matter ho many you ban.

I think this is exactly why I think in the long run SIM will be the more successful tour. Yes you lose the freedom to create exactly what you want, but with a total of 21 setups(that is the planed total) you will find the one that suits you most and will always have the security of having a balanced match and a variety of more then 4 strong setups.

All SIM tours start rather slow, but people will catch on, I am sure of it.

[Ary1g]

If there really was one setup which was unbeatable by all other setups, then I think this would be more worth considering.

The biggest problem I see is that people seem to confuse "annoying" with "overpowered".

Sure, we want everyone to have fun. But this IS a competition, otherwise we wouldn't bother keeping rankings.

Anyway, a new update was just released, so I think we need to see the long term effect of that before we start making any new rules. Who knows, there may just be some unused setup that will now be more powerful than before.

You say annoying, I say unrealistic. I joined this site because of it's limitations in TS3, hoping that there would be limitations in TS4 as well.

The problem with for example 100 power is that your internet line does not give u a chance of stopping a perfect timed shot by such a player. The ball just fly by before your nose and your player is still in the "jump" preparing for his opponents shot :O how is that realistic?

[Ary1g]

I can answer that, take out Welch people go Slavina, take out babb people go Gallo, take out Kelly people go Claire.

Okay, how about banning all gold coaches?

[djarvik]

ALERT: I am about to boast.


I have NEVER lost to a 100 power guy in ms. Not once. Yes, these are tough matches, but I never lost. I lost ONE in WS, against DEVELISH, a good player. I never lose in WT to 100 power as well.

Me thinks, you doing something wrong. ...and that is what we need to do, discuss ways of playing these setups...once they become beatable they seize to be popular.

I am having the hardest time now against good Welshes and Rabarris.

[djarvik]

I can answer that, take out Welch people go Slavina, take out babb people go Gallo, take out Kelly people go Claire.

Okay, how about banning all gold coaches?

Believe it or not, this idea is not new, and when I reviewed it, I found the same 4 overpowered silver coaches this is going nowhere....

[RainingAmoeba79]

There is a silver coach that gives 81 on both wings(forgot name), that would be OP.

Face, it guys, a predetermined roster is the way to go.

[Ary1g]

ALERT: I am about to boast.


I have NEVER lost to a 100 power guy in ms. Not once. Yes, these are tough matches, but I never lost. I lost ONE in WS, against DEVELISH, a good player. I never lose in WT to 100 power as well.

Me thinks, you doing something wrong. ...and that is what we need to do, discuss ways of playing these setups...once they become beatable they seize to be popular.

I am having the hardest time now against good Welshes and Rabarris.

I'm not talking about loosing or winning against them.
I can outplay power players, but it is too unrealistic that they should get points from doing nothing other than smashing it down the line, or anywhere.

[Rob ITST]

ALERT: I am about to boast.


I have NEVER lost to a 100 power guy in ms. Not once. Yes, these are tough matches, but I never lost. I lost ONE in WS, against DEVELISH, a good player. I never lose in WT to 100 power as well.

Me thinks, you doing something wrong. ...and that is what we need to do, discuss ways of playing these setups...once they become beatable they seize to be popular.

I am having the hardest time now against good Welshes and Rabarris.

Same here. I didn't want to say it, because I thought it might be a bit insulting, but most problems people have against certain setups are due to their lack of ability to counter it.

That doesn't mean that you are not good at the game, it just means that you might not be as good as you could be at one aspect of the game.

IMO, power is one of the easiest stats to overcome in TS4 - you just have to find the right method.

[Ary1g]

I can answer that, take out Welch people go Slavina, take out babb people go Gallo, take out Kelly people go Claire.

Okay, how about banning all gold coaches?

Believe it or not, this idea is not new, and when I reviewed it, I found the same 4 overpowered silver coaches this is going nowhere....

THERE MUST BE A WAY (yelled very dramaticly) !

[RainingAmoeba79]

ALERT: I am about to boast.


I have NEVER lost to a 100 power guy in ms. Not once. Yes, these are tough matches, but I never lost. I lost ONE in WS, against DEVELISH, a good player. I never lose in WT to 100 power as well.

Me thinks, you doing something wrong. ...and that is what we need to do, discuss ways of playing these setups...once they become beatable they seize to be popular.

I am having the hardest time now against good Welshes and Rabarris.

Same here. I didn't want to say it, because I thought it might be a bit insulting, but most problems people have against certain setups are due to their lack of ability to counter it.

That doesn't mean that you are not good at the game, it just means that you might not be as good as you could be at one aspect of the game.

IMO, power is one of the easiest stats to overcome in TS4 - you just have to find the right method.

PLZ tell me about this method, im clueless.

[Rob ITST]

I'm not talking about loosing or winning against them.
I can outplay power players, but it is too unrealistic that they should get points from doing nothing other than smashing it down the line.

You could say the same thing about many other setups in this game. How about the high fh/bh stats? They hit almost every ball ON THE LINE. All they are doing is tapping the button. Is that realistic?

[djarvik]

I can answer that, take out Welch people go Slavina, take out babb people go Gallo, take out Kelly people go Claire.

Okay, how about banning all gold coaches?

Believe it or not, this idea is not new, and when I reviewed it, I found the same 4 overpowered silver coaches this is going nowhere....

THERE MUST BE A WAY (yelled very dramaticly) !

....and we DO want to find it. I just have little faith that limiting stats is the way to go. By all means, do brainstorm! More ideas!

[Rob ITST]

PLZ tell me about this method, im clueless.

I just try to make them hit as many balls as possible, and make them move.

Also, when I do get a chance to go on offense, I use a LOT of power - if they don't have time, they can't use their power, so you take away their only weapon (I assume we're talking about the 98/98 setup here - IR/CPS is different).

[Ary1g]

ALERT: I am about to boast.


I have NEVER lost to a 100 power guy in ms. Not once. Yes, these are tough matches, but I never lost. I lost ONE in WS, against DEVELISH, a good player. I never lose in WT to 100 power as well.

Me thinks, you doing something wrong. ...and that is what we need to do, discuss ways of playing these setups...once they become beatable they seize to be popular.

I am having the hardest time now against good Welshes and Rabarris.

Same here. I didn't want to say it, because I thought it might be a bit insulting, but most problems people have against certain setups are due to their lack of ability to counter it.

That doesn't mean that you are not good at the game, it just means that you might not be as good as you could be at one aspect of the game.

IMO, power is one of the easiest stats to overcome in TS4 - you just have to find the right method.

So let me get this straight. When you don't have more arguments.. you question ability?

What about going even lower with the limit? What happens then? If you're limiting it at 85? I have a 88 forehand build and that forehand is pure gold worth. Can't imagine it would loose it's intergrity by getting 3 stats lower. Of course I know that it does not work that easily. You can't just make 3 stats disappear and all that. But with no attributes over 85, you wont get unrealistic setups? You may get overpowered setups.. but not unrealistic?

Which quadruple of players have met several times in the grand slam semis (IRL) this year? The same four. What I want.. is that UNREALISTIC attributes go away. I may have given a wrong impression of what I was looking for in the last hours of posts.

To conclude. What's the best? Playing unrealistic players or playing overpowered players?