Realistic Stats - Thoroughly explained.

[Rob ITST]

Constant tramline service is considered a cheesy tactic.

WRONG!

One tramline serve is cheesy.

[ILuvBillVal]

Right. I wasn't exactly sure if he meant serving from the tramlines or serving outwide every serve. So I just went with the safe answer!

[Rob ITST]

Gotcha. I do believe some people confuse the two, and they think it has to do with where you hit you serves, and not where you stand when you serve.

[Ary1g]

Two words for you: Welsh and Rabbari. I have not seen them reconciled. The only setups capable of giving these two run for their money are the "extreme" setups. You take away these and it will be even more one dimensional.

This is why I suggested having the wings limit ever lower than Agassi's 172. Down to 168. Which means Welsh will only be able to have 84/84 wings at max. This will do a difference to him, as he then loses 16(!) points of his wings from today's situation.

Also I have mentioned Rabari in some posts. Ali-Iqb93 came with a interesting idea of limiting him to no stats over 84. Which would make him less powerful, but still since having IR, he would still have plenty of power since he doesn't need much time loading a power shot. Also I think with his CPS skill, he's a very competent build to face these days.

My idea was to limit his build to max two red attributes.

Anyway, so we know that these two builds are some steps ahead the rest of the custom builds possible to use, why don't we find rules that make them more like the rest then? In the last 5-6 matches here on ITST I have met Rabari... It's no fun when people are only using one of two builds here. In addition, if you do a little research here on the forum, you quickly find out that these builds are a few steps ahead of other, which means even more people will start using them. I believe all higher ranked players(50 and higher) I have met on itst have been using Rabari or Welsh..

In addition, you people in the management just seems so afraid of rules!
I think people can easily adapt to rules. Again, one of the reasons I joined this site, was that I thought there was a limit of 85. (Got a boring surprise in my first match though)
I loved the idea of have a limit. Yes, my suggestions are not a one sentence rule. But put it together like "RSRW", it becomes very easy to refer players to. You just write to your opponent: "RSRW-rule, please look it up." Or if someone is using Welsh in a banned way you say: "Welsh exception, please look it up"" or if Rabari you say: "Rabari exception, please look it up"

In all tournament pages in the beginning phase of this rule change you'll add a link to the rules, like in the first Sim-tournaments.

Really hope that we could at least have a rule testing tournament on this. It can't be that much work. You schedule tournaments all the time? Is it really that difficult scheduling one extra? Or do you have some sort of limit on how many tournaments possible on this site? In case there are some limitations I don't know of, I understand why you don't want to arrange one.

Over to you Rob:

One tramline serve is cheesy.

What about other cheesy tactics? Is it cheesy to use a zps once in a match? How about insane jumping-reach drop shots?? Isn't it cheesy to use one of those shots once to gain back control of a lost point?

IMO: There should be a zero-tolerance policy on this. Which means that if you do a cheesy shot. You should give away the point. If it's bad luck, then it shouldn't give you an advantage. "Upps, I accidentally hit that jumping-reach drop shot and won the point because of it.." or "I served a zps unintentionally in the match point in our close tiebreak and won because of a weak return.."
People here should have the decency and sportsmanship to accept that ONE cheesy error means that you should give away the point. No matter what. I have absolutely NO problem with avoiding cheesy shots and I've been active on this site for maybe 2-3 months!
The rules aren't strict enough imo..

To my opponents: Yes, I easily file complaints after matches, so beware playing cheesy shots against me in a match

[Ali-Iqb93]

one zps on match point... so u got another chance for it... then even won the tiebreak.. then lost 3rd set... so stop complaining

[Ali-Iqb93]

and btw if you know soo much about this game then you should also know how to counter a zps..

[djarvik]

and btw if you know soo much about this game then you should also know how to counter a zps..

That's a good point. No doubt that ZPS are effective, but they are barely tip the effectiveness scale around 60%. I still get a great amount of them returned with interest.

The key is not to pre-press, but to see what kind of serve is coming. Then press. I do that even against the 100 serve guys, I don't start pressing before their racket touches the ball.

As to the rules. I don't like them. Seems like a "fancy" "limit all to 90" rule with a lot of unnecessary wording, explanations, exceptions etc...

I said this before and will echo myself again. The way the game is build, there is no layer that you can reach that will eliminate the 3 "cream of the crop" coach situation. It will always be there, no matter how low you will drill. So this suggestion fails. We did the best we could, we took out MD, which is a skill that clearly makes the game unbalanced. Anything beyond that will only shift attention to other coaches, but will not grant you what you looking for - variety. If you want that, play the SIM tour. We will have a total of 21 players to choose from, that were balanced and will be re-balanced if there is a need. All the OP skills were not utilized.

It seems like we say same thing over and over and you once again don't listen.

Unless you can come up with a one sentence rule regarding the setups - its too complicated. And I don't mean a half a page sentence, rather a one liner.

[Rob ITST]

One tramline serve is cheesy.

What about other cheesy tactics? Is it cheesy to use a zps once in a match? How about insane jumping-reach drop shots?? Isn't it cheesy to use one of those shots once to gain back control of a lost point?

One HUGE difference: Prove to me that the one zps is intentional. Tramline serves are always intentional, there's no way to do it accidentally.

Another HUGE difference: Define zps. One person's definition can be vastly different from another's.

[Ali-Iqb93]

i have found a way to counter zps.. i dont touch analog instead keep holding the flat shot button and just when ball touches the ground i move my analog foward and at the same time release the flat shot button ... as for zps i did it today again against a opponent unintentionally when i was pressing "X" button to quit the action replay..

[Ali-Iqb93]

and like ary1g says that one zps is intentional.. do you think that your opponent is stupid enough that he can win the first set using analog serve then in second set when he ll be on match point then he ll prefer a zps rather than analog serve which has been helping him throughout the whole match ???

[Ary1g]

and btw if you know soo much about this game then you should also know how to counter a zps..

I didn't ask you, Ali. You can't be objective in your answer to me.

As for your clearly very difficulties with not doing zps, maybe you should start chilling a bit on the action replay? That's really the best way of not doing one of those serves. Therefore I don't see that as an excuse for doing it sometimes.

How can you counter a zps when you constantly get a serve where you have less than half a second to release at perfect timing? Half a second! In that split second you're supposed to decide if your opponent is zps or not? Come on!

Okay Djarvik, I will try to not pre-press, even though I tend to be aced a lot more when doing that. Weird though, that the only reason for changing my way of returning, is so I don't lose a point on a zps which is fairly easy to avoid doing.

Thanks for your answer, Rob. I can understand that you have difficulties deciding feuds about the zps. I shall start recording all my matches from now on though. Had enough of these unintentional cheesy shots.
You didn't comment on jumping-reach drop shots though? Isn't it cheesy?

Finally, There's no managers or hosts who ever answers me on my questions about a test tournaments? A test tournament would show if people are interested in trying it out too.

Djarvik, you say that this rule is to difficult. Maybe it is, but at this time, there are more people who like this idea than people who don't.

[Ali-Iqb93]

public forum mate..... you keep on taunting me with your "my opponent hits a zps intentionally on match point" then offcourse i ll give my opinion

[Ary1g]

public forum mate..... you keep on taunting me with your "my opponent hits a zps intentionally on match point" then offcourse i ll give my opinion

I'm not taunting you. I'm taunting the situation. We're finished with our match. You won, nothing more to say.

[Ali-Iqb93]

then stop complaining that my opponent did this and my opponent did that...

[Ary1g]

then stop complaining that my opponent did this and my opponent did that...

I will never stop complaining about cheesy shots.