Sim??? what a joke

[I_Zooloo_I]

this article doesnt apply to topspin. it might work for SF cause it s a game where bugs and balance have been worked way better than topspin. but it s meaningless in ts cause 2k are newbies when it comes to make a bug free balanced game.

[Tuurbine]

It effectively PWNS a ton of people in this community (ITST) and their way of looking at gaming. Unfortunately not many of them will actually read the entire article because it probably hurts too much.

The importance that article seems to attach to winning at videogames is a little weird i think... I can see how the type of play he talks about operates at a higher level, but what i'll never understand is why it matters that it's at a higher level or why it matters why any gamer is better than another, whatever criteria you use to determine who's better.

I can see his point when it comes to games like streetfighter... the exploits and counters etc become an 'artform' in itself, but there's no sophistication in just playing 1000 drop shots on topspin or tramline serving or whatever... It just makes the game boring.

Agreed, this article as much interesting as it is, dont really apply to to TS4 or sport games in general.

Exactly, sports game have rules of sportsmanship in which abuse of mistakes in the progamming of the game that differ too much with what happens in reality in the sport , can be consider at least as gamesmanship... And its extreme abuse as cheating.

[jayl0ve]

Those 'rules of sportsmanship' though are the 'mental blocks' the article mentions. They're artificial.

Also see the point in the article where he says something to the effect of 'if a game isn't 'fun' when played at a high level, then that's the game's fault, not the player's'.

TS4 is just a far inferior game to SF2 so I guess it's a stretch, but I think a ton of that article applies.

I'm kinda strapped for time at the moment I'd like to elaborate more but I gotta be somewhere

Also, the 'emphasis on winning' is not weird, these kind of articles and the strategies discussed therein are kinda aimed at tournament-level players (i.e guys who go to EVO to compete in Street Fighter), and winning is all that matters. There is 'sportsmanship' but it's in playing as hard as possible and doing whatever it takes to win, most SF players just don't get butthurt about it unlike online sports game players

[LokiSharpShootr]

Those 'rules of sportsmanship' though are the 'mental blocks' the article mentions. They're artificial.

Also see the point in the article where he says something to the effect of 'if a game isn't 'fun' when played at a high level, then that's the game's fault, not the player's'.

TS4 is just a far inferior game to SF2 so I guess it's a stretch, but I think a ton of that article applies.

I'm kinda strapped for time at the moment I'd like to elaborate more but I gotta be somewhere

Also, the 'emphasis on winning' is not weird, these kind of articles and the strategies discussed therein are kinda aimed at tournament-level players (i.e guys who go to EVO to compete in Street Fighter), and winning is all that matters. There is 'sportsmanship' but it's in playing as hard as possible and doing whatever it takes to win, most SF players just don't get butthurt about it unlike online sports game players

Was just about to go sleep when i saw your comment, would just like to say that if mental blocks is what set me apart from ´´winners`` like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4sxguMfo1s then GO MENTAL BLOCKS GO.

PS: just found this video while reading a post from a certain BK, but man its hilarous how much the human race has fallen.

[jayl0ve]

Who the hell is that douchebag?

I'm not kidding I've never heard of that guy, what game does he play?

Anyways not all 'top' gamers are douchebags, but they all have one thing in common: Confidence

[jayl0ve]

Just like if I keep throwing fireballs in Street Fighter, you would call the game boring.

LOL those are the uber-scrubs of the Street Fighter world, the guys who say you throw too many projectiles.

I was actually playing a friend of mine in real life at HD Remix a couple hours ago, and we had one round where we were both at equal health (about to die), we both had one round won, and we were a full screen apart... so we just started throwing Hadoukens at each other, canceling each other's out, as fast and often as humanly possible until one of us (My friend) broke down and I nailed him with one and then made him block another as he got up to kill him I had already read this post of yours, so it made me laugh

Neither of us said "Hey that's cheap, stop doing that!!" though, or "Man this is so boring I'm just gonna stop". Actually it was white-knuckle stuff because it's hard to keep up hadouken after hadouken after hadouken without whiffing one.

[supinesmokey13]

Just like if I keep throwing fireballs in Street Fighter, you would call the game boring.

LOL those are the uber-scrubs of the Street Fighter world, the guys who say you throw too many projectiles.

I was actually playing a friend of mine in real life at HD Remix a couple hours ago, and we had one round where we were both at equal health (about to die), we both had one round won, and we were a full screen apart... so we just started throwing Hadoukens at each other, canceling each other's out, as fast and often as humanly possible until one of us (My friend) broke down and I nailed him with one and then made him block another as he got up to kill him I had already read this post of yours, so it made me laugh

Neither of us said "Hey that's cheap, stop doing that!!" though, or "Man this is so boring I'm just gonna stop". Actually it was white-knuckle stuff because it's hard to keep up hadouken after hadouken after hadouken without whiffing one.

i read the article too so that means i should win at all costs the sense of reasoning is slightly flawed now i know we are just taking about gaming but here is an example here in the uk there was the 'Expenses Scandal'.
MP's spent more than they were entitled to now using that logic by any means necessary what they did wasn't it wrong ?,robbing tax payers money because it was there to be robbed the opportunity was there to do so and had they not done so according to the article they would be scrubs.


you see that thought process of by all means in gaming spreads into anything competitive and as a result chaos spread as the depths of one's actions not matter how dirty in order to win will know no bounds.

and just because you can justify something doesn't always mean it is right. so in a sense that articles says the ideology of sportsmanship is flawed then a lot of people have mental. FIFA have mental block the IOC and everyone in charge of the Olympics has a mental block. mind you there are crooked people operating in both organisations

what the writer of the article fails to see is the by any means necessary mentality is that of a criminal so in a sense we should adopt the mentality that i cant not work hard and earn an honest living no i must get by any means as living honest is nothing more than a mental block in my head stopping me from being success for that is the ideology of the article.

[RainingAmoeba79]

Just like if I keep throwing fireballs in Street Fighter, you would call the game boring.

LOL those are the uber-scrubs of the Street Fighter world, the guys who say you throw too many projectiles.

I was actually playing a friend of mine in real life at HD Remix a couple hours ago, and we had one round where we were both at equal health (about to die), we both had one round won, and we were a full screen apart... so we just started throwing Hadoukens at each other, canceling each other's out, as fast and often as humanly possible until one of us (My friend) broke down and I nailed him with one and then made him block another as he got up to kill him I had already read this post of yours, so it made me laugh

Neither of us said "Hey that's cheap, stop doing that!!" though, or "Man this is so boring I'm just gonna stop". Actually it was white-knuckle stuff because it's hard to keep up hadouken after hadouken after hadouken without whiffing one.

i read the article too so that means i should win at all costs the sense of reasoning is slightly flawed now i know we are just taking about gaming but here is an example here in the uk there was the 'Expenses Scandal'.
MP's spent more than they were entitled to now using that logic by any means necessary what they did wasn't it wrong ?,robbing tax payers money because it was there to be robbed the opportunity was there to do so and had they not done so according to the article they would be scrubs.


you see that thought process of by all means in gaming spreads into anything competitive and as a result chaos spread as the depths of one's actions not matter how dirty in order to win will know no bounds.

and just because you can justify something doesn't always mean it is right. so in a sense that articles says the ideology of sportsmanship is flawed then a lot of people have mental. FIFA have mental block the IOC and everyone in charge of the Olympics has a mental block. mind you there are crooked people operating in both organisations

what the writer of the article fails to see is the by any means necessary mentality is that of a criminal so in a sense we should adopt the mentality that i cant not work hard and earn an honest living no i must get by any means as living honest is nothing more than a mental block in my head stopping me from being success for that is the ideology of the article.

Dude it is about a video game not a philosiphical revolution....

[supinesmokey13]

Just like if I keep throwing fireballs in Street Fighter, you would call the game boring.

LOL those are the uber-scrubs of the Street Fighter world, the guys who say you throw too many projectiles.

I was actually playing a friend of mine in real life at HD Remix a couple hours ago, and we had one round where we were both at equal health (about to die), we both had one round won, and we were a full screen apart... so we just started throwing Hadoukens at each other, canceling each other's out, as fast and often as humanly possible until one of us (My friend) broke down and I nailed him with one and then made him block another as he got up to kill him I had already read this post of yours, so it made me laugh

Neither of us said "Hey that's cheap, stop doing that!!" though, or "Man this is so boring I'm just gonna stop". Actually it was white-knuckle stuff because it's hard to keep up hadouken after hadouken after hadouken without whiffing one.

i read the article too so that means i should win at all costs the sense of reasoning is slightly flawed now i know we are just taking about gaming but here is an example here in the uk there was the 'Expenses Scandal'.
MP's spent more than they were entitled to now using that logic by any means necessary what they did wasn't it wrong ?,robbing tax payers money because it was there to be robbed the opportunity was there to do so and had they not done so according to the article they would be scrubs.


you see that thought process of by all means in gaming spreads into anything competitive and as a result chaos spread as the depths of one's actions not matter how dirty in order to win will know no bounds.

and just because you can justify something doesn't always mean it is right. so in a sense that articles says the ideology of sportsmanship is flawed then a lot of people have mental. FIFA have mental block the IOC and everyone in charge of the Olympics has a mental block. mind you there are crooked people operating in both organisations

what the writer of the article fails to see is the by any means necessary mentality is that of a criminal so in a sense we should adopt the mentality that i cant not work hard and earn an honest living no i must get by any means as living honest is nothing more than a mental block in my head stopping me from being success for that is the ideology of the article.

Dude it is about a video game not a philosiphical revolution....

the video game is at the center of it but at its core it talks about winning and how people got about achieving it. whether is be video games or anything competitive so you once you get that mentality talked about in competitive gaming that mindset can spread into anything you do competitively. and remember it talks about sportsmanship an issue not exclusive to just gaming

[jayl0ve]

I think it's just going way over everybody's head.

Oh well.

[PerfectAce]

The main point that brought me to ITST is the will of people to "simulate" real tennis, just like that. Anyone can play in a "cheesy" way, but who thinks like that doesn´t need to be here.

So, if it´s easier to find an opponent who plays TS4 in a "Street Fighter" way, why would you loose your time playing in ITST, where people wants to play in a different way? I could get free of my "mental blocks" and play tramline serving with ZPS and drop shot every point, but I just don´t like doing that.

Maybe I´m a dreamer, but this is the way I like to play this game. I problably have a huge mental block...

[jayl0ve]

yeah just trivialize it if you don't understand it.

[supinesmokey13]

I think it's just going way over everybody's head.

Oh well.

i dont get what you mean ?

[PerfectAce]

yeah just trivialize it if you don't understand it.

Yeah, I think i´m not so smart. Maybe because english is not my 1st language. But I´ll get there...

[LokiSharpShootr]

IMO this article can apply to pro gamers who make a living out of it(kind of sad, but hell i wished i could play games and win money) but the ITST community is more based on respect,fun and realism so the core of the article is useless here.

BTW im a scrub by this article standarts, but im still a monster player in halo3, reach, mw2, FIFA, and TS4.