Pros and Customs on tour: Please don't knee-jerk ban it!

[TomBs]

I'm not saying a custom tour shouldn't exist. I'm saying it would be good if there'd also exist a pro/free-tour.

[djarvik]

I'm not saying a custom tour shouldn't exist. I'm saying it would be good if there'd also exist a pro/free-tour.

I am not against this. But all I am saying, is that right now - we are going to start with customs only. We will review all other possibilities in-time.

Sorry to sound like a broken record. I really don't mean to sound rude.

[TomBs]

No problem, it's just all the same in every topic about this subject, from either camp

[cb1mvp]

I'm new to the tour so I haven't experience the past tours but it seems to me that there is basically a counter for most custom character strengths. If that is the case, well then isn't it fun to try to take down those characters that seem to be overpowering you?

I don't think pros are any different or would make it better. The pros are just as unbalanced at times.

I think the custom tour is the way to go and if people are clammoring for real pros do a separate tour. I'll trust what has worked here for the last 7 years.

[djarvik]

I'm new to the tour so I haven't experience the past tours but it seems to me that there is basically a counter for most custom character strengths. If that is the case, well then isn't it fun to try to take down those characters that seem to be overpowering you?

I don't think pros are any different or would make it better. The pros are just as unbalanced at times.

I think the custom tour is the way to go and if people are clammoring for real pros do a separate tour. I'll trust what has worked here for the last 7 years.

Thank you.

[KDZaster]

You're making this point about our opinions will never match up.

At the same time you're cutting of 50% of the game with your opinion.
The rest of us just want to see the game actually played.

Trusting what has worked for 7 years when EVERY game has been vastly different than the previous entry?

WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THE PRACTICE TOURNAMENTS??
Nothing. They made it seem like they had some intention of actually seeing results and using that to form "evidence".

When it involves restricting others freedoms or forcing a rule onto others, you need more than an "opinion".

But I guess you don't need "evidence" when you have an opinion and the power to enforce it.

[djarvik]

ah?

I think this poll:
http://www.intertopspintour.net/forum/v ... hp?t=14394

Illustrates perfectly what I am talking about. You are a minority. I have to stand by majority.

Experience that we have here, includes gauging of what most of us want to see on this site.

Warm up tournaments were there to get a general feedback of bugs, loopholes, and other stuff in the game. Including overpowered stats and setups.

Despite you not being wrong, you coming off a bit arrogant here.

...and there is not need to attack me with implications.

[SlicerITST]

We are going down this road because our philosophy has been working for each Top Spin game in the last 7 years even though each game was different. Creating custom characters has always been a key element in the series. In this discussion you are right about 1 thing and that is the fact that this game is the first in the series where there is a balanced list of pro players.

We already knew this as it was one of the focus points of 2K in the development process. While many people where taken back because some players did not match up to its real life counterpart we already anticipated they might be balanced enough to compete with created players in 1 tour. This was one of the reasons we allowed people to compete with them in the warm up tournaments.

At the moment we are beginning the tour how it worked in the past. This is our starting point. I do not like the fact you are saying we would not listen to the community at all. We have always listened to what anyone has to say and although we cannot please everyone we do our upmost best.

We just dont jump into something new just like that. We are first going to see what is what before we make any big decision. Until then we encourage any input from the community.

[edlglide]

I'm new to this, but I don't want pros to be on the same tour as customs -- I like to think of this as an alternate tennis world. I would love for the rankings to be by actual players (like the customs created) rather than user profile; I'd love for people to only be able to use one player during a tournament. It wouldn't prevent people from using different players for different tournaments, but that would probably lead to them having several guys ranked fairly low.

I know that's not going to happen, but at the very least I want the variety that comes from everyone having their own custom guys. I don't want the potential to play the same person two or three times in one tournament.

I have no problem with a separate pro tour, and I'd probably play on that too, but I'd like to keep it separate from customs.

[Hawkeye Miihawk]

I too would love a pro/custom tour, if most customs weren't around 540 pts with 2 skills, and the pros with the most points weren't around 555-566 with 3 DAMN GOOD skills. Monster defense/reach swings expert/shot counter REALLY!?!?

Those who only like using "realistic" customs will have no choice but to upgrade, and the tour will degenerate into people making 80+power 80+strokes 80+srv customs to try and counter the rafas/agassis/federers/etc and other mutant customs. You really don't need multiple tournaments to test this.

That's why some of us already want rules for the customs tour, even without months of testing. World tour has shown us that if your character isn't one of those 80+pw 80+strokes characters, it can be hard to compete, especially when you run into a good player. Player matches have also shown some of us, that if your custom doesn't have 80+pw 80+strokes, and you're facing a really good Agassi/Djokovic/etc there is almost no way you can win.

If you come up with rules to try and balance the customs, then the pros will dominate. If you let anything fly, then the mutants will dominate. The pros are a crutch against realistic customs, while the mutants are a crutch against the pros.

If people want pros on a tour, fine, but it should be separate.

[Puttu puttuu]

ah?

I think this poll:
http://www.intertopspintour.net/forum/v ... hp?t=14394

Illustrates perfectly what I am talking about. You are a minority. I have to stand by majority.

Experience that we have here, includes gauging of what most of us want to see on this site.

Warm up tournaments were there to get a general feedback of bugs, loopholes, and other stuff in the game. Including overpowered stats and setups.

Despite you not being wrong, you coming off a bit arrogant here.

...and there is not need to attack me with implications.

I don't think a poll with such a small sample means anything right now !

[djarvik]

Well, it represent a percentile...

But you right, it is far from conclusive.

Read what I and Slicer wrote man. Have I ever was against the balanced roster? ...balanced game play? etc..

C'mon Putt! You know exactly what I am about.

Separate tour for pros is possible, but 1 tour all-inclusive - is just not going to work. Guys using the customs will have to resort to monster setups to have a chance, where in all custom tours, monsters will exist, but you wont have to use them to stand a chance. Also, I will always be in front lines when it comes to variety in ANY tour.

[KDZaster]

We are going down this road because our philosophy has been working for each Top Spin game in the last 7 years even though each game was different. Creating custom characters has always been a key element in the series. In this discussion you are right about 1 thing and that is the fact that this game is the first in the series where there is a balanced list of pro players.

We already knew this as it was one of the focus points of 2K in the development process. While many people where taken back because some players did not match up to its real life counterpart we already anticipated they might be balanced enough to compete with created players in 1 tour. This was one of the reasons we allowed people to compete with them in the warm up tournaments.

At the moment we are beginning the tour how it worked in the past. This is our starting point. I do not like the fact you are saying we would not listen to the community at all. We have always listened to what anyone has to say and although we cannot please everyone we do our upmost best.

We just dont jump into something new just like that. We are first going to see what is what before we make any big decision. Until then we encourage any input from the community.

Thanks, best answer by far. I like this place so I guess I'll just X-Copy whatever the current ridiculous custom is. I think someone mentioned 83/83/80 Monster Defense - Topspin Invasion?

I clearly remember that set-up making my Federer, who I am not bad with, feel like he wasnt a 16-time champion. Nothing but super short angles and corner shots, all grazing a line. No matter how hard I hit the ball or how far I made him reach for it.

djarvik, the only implication I was making was that the people making decisions were not looking at the big picture. You were the only "face" of that body that responded, so it made it feel like I was attacking you. Sorry if I made you feel bad.

[Hawkeye Miihawk]

Thanks, best answer by far. I like this place so I guess I'll just X-Copy whatever the current ridiculous custom is. I think someone mentioned 83/83/80 Monster Defense - Topspin Invasion?

I clearly remember that set-up making my Federer, who I am not bad with, feel like he wasnt a 16-time champion. Nothing but super short angles and corner shots, all grazing a line. No matter how hard I hit the ball or how far I made him reach for it.

Lol, yeah that was me in the "Which type of tour would you be most interested in?" thread.

That setup is quickly rising in popularity in world tour. It's a very strong setup.

[chump101]

It's great to see this kind of intense discussion in the forum, I hope none of you will take anything that was said here personally. It's all for to make our gaming experience better. So hats off to you guys for speaking your mind (i am just going with the flow ) Though, whatever the result, there's always gonna be people who are not please with the decision. Given their experience and success in the past, I am sure ITST will make the right decision (probably not everyone will like it). Like Djarvid said from day one, nothing is set in stone....so i am looking for changes later on. Meanwhile, keep feeding them input from your matches.