Ban attributes exceeding 90? Poll. Vote please

[MysteryPlayer]

actually any skill over 85 but y cant we have a tour were each style meaning serve and volley, offense baseline and defense baseline must have at least 4 points in each catorgory i honestly like playing this way and think this is how the game was meant to be played

[I_Zooloo_I]

85 limit or 4 in each is too much in my opinion, it would just become a 100% all rounder game. i d vote 90 limit or 2 in each

[MysteryPlayer]

85 limit or 4 in each is too much in my opinion, it would just become a 100% all rounder game. i d vote 90 limit or 2 in each

It is hard to nothing over 85 because the type of player people pick is going to make the character over 85 and maybe 90. Atleast with 3 or 4 in each style would eliminate how many stats are in the 80's or 90's. even with they 3-4 in a catorgory their will still be variety in the game thier are up to 17 coaches depending on how you setup your player I do it all the time. This is the reason I don't play itst anymore like I did on topspin3 because their are no set rules.

[FF94_NL]

85 limit or 4 in each is too much in my opinion, it would just become a 100% all rounder game. i d vote 90 limit or 2 in each

the problem with 2 in each lvl, is that you can't control it.. but the limit every stat till 90 rule, is possible to control. i like this rule. it would become a less cheesy tour. i also like the reg tour a lot so i hope this rule will be accepted by the hosts.

[Rob ITST]

I think I mentioned this before:

If you limit stats, you essentially ban coaches. One coach doesn't let you set a stat below 96, some force you to have at least one at 93, and a bunch have a stat that cannot be lower than 91.

[Ary1g]

I think I mentioned this before:

If you limit stats, you essentially ban coaches. One coach doesn't let you set a stat below 96, some force you to have at least one at 93, and a bunch have a stat that cannot be lower than 91.

And so what? We'll loose a couple of coaches, and give loads of new and exciting builds a chance in the tour. Where the loss in this?? You say it yourself. "A bunch of that cannot be lower than 91." So let's limit it at 91 then. Sacrifice a few to create a greater good!

[Rob ITST]

But the coaches you would ban are not the coaches most people use - so it would really only eliminate one setup. Most of the coaches it would ban are not used by many people, so it would not lead to any new setups being used.

And what about my setup: I use inside out master, with 93 on forehand, and 59 on backhand. Do you think that setup should be banned? I don't see many others using it, so I think it must not be overpowered.

How about the Claire Roberts coach? With her, reflexes have a minimum of 93. Is she overpowered? I don't think so. Actually, playing against that setup is very fun for me.

Limiting stats seems like a good idea at first, but I think it would actually lead to less variety.

[Ary1g]

But the coaches you would ban are not the coaches most people use - so it would really only eliminate one setup. Most of the coaches it would ban are not used by many people, so it would not lead to any new setups being used.

And what about my setup: I use inside out master, with 93 on forehand, and 59 on backhand. Do you think that setup should be banned? I don't see many others using it, so I think it must not be overpowered.


How about the Claire Roberts coach? With her, reflexes have a minimum of 93. Is she overpowered? I don't think so. Actually, playing against that setup is very fun for me.

Limiting stats seems like a good idea at first, but I think it would actually lead to less variety.

Still don't agree!

If there are so few people using those coaches, then what's the big deal of banning them?

As for your setups, I guess it's a bit above the normal, but still playable, depending on your power stat. Which leads me to my next point. Yes, you think it's fun to play against a 93 reflexes because that is also above normal. Is it impossible to use Claire Roberts with a level of 17-19? All these things must be accounted for before using that as a major argument.

What you're saying is that when everyone has found the "secret" coaches, there will be about 4 different builds to use if you want to be able to go all the way to a grand slam? Opposed to exclude those 4 and have 12 different coaches and builds which all have the attributes and skills to work even the best players around the court.
How can that lead to less variety??

[edlglide]

I honestly hate the way players are created on this game -- the way it's impossible to combine certain stats. The only way to have really high reflexes is to be a serve and volley player....I think it'd lead to much more variety if they let people distribute points however they wanted. The coaches /skills are an interesting idea, but I think in practice it limits set-ups too much.

[Rob ITST]

Opposed to exclude those 4 and have 12 different coaches and builds which all have the attributes and skills to work even the best players around the court.
How can that "actually lead to less variety"??

The two most popular coaches, Welch and Rabari:

Rabari - no stat above 90, so still allowed.
Welch - no stat above 90, so still allowed.

The other two popular coaches are Kelly and Babb. They would be eliminated, so we would go from 4 coaches to 2.

[djarvik]

But the coaches you would ban are not the coaches most people use - so it would really only eliminate one setup. Most of the coaches it would ban are not used by many people, so it would not lead to any new setups being used.

And what about my setup: I use inside out master, with 93 on forehand, and 59 on backhand. Do you think that setup should be banned? I don't see many others using it, so I think it must not be overpowered.


How about the Claire Roberts coach? With her, reflexes have a minimum of 93. Is she overpowered? I don't think so. Actually, playing against that setup is very fun for me.

Limiting stats seems like a good idea at first, but I think it would actually lead to less variety.

Still don't agree!

If there are so few people using those coaches, then what's the big deal of banning them?

As for your setups, I guess it's a bit above the normal, but still playable, depending on your power stat. Which leads me to my next point. Yes, you think it's fun to play against a 93 reflexes because that is also above normal. Is it impossible to use Claire Roberts with a level of 17-19? All these things must be accounted for before using that as a major argument.

What you're saying is that when everyone has found the "secret" coaches, there will be about 4 different builds to use if you want to be able to go all the way to a grand slam? Opposed to exclude those 4 and have 12 different coaches and builds which all have the attributes and skills to work even the best players around the court.
How can that lead to less variety??

Out of the top 4 coaches now you will eliminate two by this rule, leaving only two that will now be even more overpower. Its quite clear

The variety will be reduced, no question about it in my mind. Everyone will use either Welsh or Rabari. Why would a player looking to use a Top coach to win use anyone else?

[djarvik]

Damn 1 minute late

[Ary1g]

I honestly hate the way players are created on this game -- the way it's impossible to combine certain stats. The only way to have really high reflexes is to be a serve and volley player....I think it'd lead to much more variety if they let people distribute points however they wanted. The coaches /skills are an interesting idea, but I think in practice it limits set-ups too much.

Maybe, but it would only lead to the same as in TS3 where people where leaving stats at 30 to use at other stats to get as much as possible in the important areas of "the" game. (note that I'm saying "the" game, instead of "their" game)

[Rob ITST]

I honestly hate the way players are created on this game -- the way it's impossible to combine certain stats. The only way to have really high reflexes is to be a serve and volley player....I think it'd lead to much more variety if they let people distribute points however they wanted. The coaches /skills are an interesting idea, but I think in practice it limits set-ups too much.

I agree, sort of.

And if you want to have high volley, you are limited to really high serve.

I'd also like to see the skills moved to different setups: A player with 98 serve/power doesn't need Stick Serve Berserker and Focus Service. That just makes it even more unbalanced.

However, it is better than the 100 power/fh/bh/serve setups you could create on previous games.

Damn 1 minute late

[edlglide]

I honestly hate the way players are created on this game -- the way it's impossible to combine certain stats. The only way to have really high reflexes is to be a serve and volley player....I think it'd lead to much more variety if they let people distribute points however they wanted. The coaches /skills are an interesting idea, but I think in practice it limits set-ups too much.

Maybe, but it would only lead to the same as in TS3 where people where leaving stats at 30 to use at other stats to get as much as possible in the important areas of "the" game. (note that I'm saying "the" game, instead of "their" game)

Yeah, but if the game engine is designed properly you could crush people that do that because they'd basically be an amateur in certain areas.

Someone with 30 stamina would be out of points after 2-3 shots, someone with 30 speed wouldn't be able to run down a solid cross-court shot, etc.

Plus this wouldn't be an issue in ITST play, because I'm sure there would be rules to keep that from happening if it broke the game.