Crushing Passing Shot/Instant Rocket

[VillaJ100]

I think the shots you can pull off need to be more context based, rather than just relying on timing. taking into account trajecory of the ball, spin, pace, position on court relative to shot, making some things such as some drops literally impossible even with perfect timing. TS4 does do this, but to incorporate it further would probably need some crazy advanced alogirthms or somehing in the game engine, which for a tennis game would be throwing money away for a developer. As it is i think TS4 is pretty darn good as a mainstream tennis simulator. TS3 i will admit was better in some aspects but overall i think the package is a great one.

[safe_as_milk_]

I know that the problem must be me, as I am playing now with the well known Rabari setup. But I am afraid that, if the speed really change a lot, the offensive baseliner club will look like a big cemitery...

Am I going crazy?

I agree... I've been playing with a few different setups including Rabari. Obviously i think it's a great one or else I wouldn't have picked it, but it seems balanced enough to me. The difference in speed mightn't seem like much but comparing my IR/CPS guy to my 0-17-3 player (slavina as coach), the difference is clearly there. The DB chases down all kinds of balls the OB wouldn't have... Also I find with IR/CPS if you get wrong-footed, you're pretty much screwed. I've taken a couple of poundings from players who've been able to exploit this well.

When i see my opponent has IR/CPS it doesn't really make me worry any more than any other build would. Fair enough though if people just get bored of too many players using it, I can understand that...

Setups with 100 power and 30-odd pace seem a bit daft to me though...
Haven't played enough S&Vers to really judge that build...
And finally, what i'd like most of all if 2k do a patch for balancing playstyles- not too weaken other playstyles but just to somehow give all rounders more of a chance against specialised builds.

[MrMackNasty]

I got so bored of playing this setup in ITST matches. I've switched to shot counter/semi Vking. If used correctly this setup can be much more affective then cps/ir.

[oshiee]

I just trolled a IR/CPR guy

Just O all the time in the middle and w/ defense ridiculously overpowered in this game I got to every single ball and hit deep down the center. It took 1 hour to play a tournament (3 sets MTB) match. And in the end he lost by 9-11 in the match tie break.

[Chederer]

I got so bored of playing this setup in ITST matches. I've switched to shot counter/semi Vking. If used correctly this setup can be much more affective then cps/ir.

i started using this same exact set up. curious though, what type of power are you using.....because im afraid i have too much power with this setup at 84. i notice you can take the ball much earlier with the semi-volley king and hit the lines like mad with about 72 to 74 power. but with my 84 power i cant hit the lines like i could when i was at say level 16 with 72 power.

[DarkTunde]

Just had an ITST match against yet another IR/CPS opponent, and while i lost yet again, I didn't feel as frustrated as usual.

As with other online competitive games I've played, like Street Fighter IV, PES, FIFA, there are always the best teams/characters/setups that are heavily used and most common. Initially I go into each match with a subdued attitude, and a half hearted effort. Eventually I reach a point when I accept the situation, put my shades on and "deal with it".

I've reached the turning point, where I know many of my ITST matches may be/are going to be against 1 or 2 of the same setups. And since I want to continue to participate on ITST, I've started experimenting with ways of countering and coping with IR/CPS etc as best as I can.

Its either that, or stop playing I guess! Lol...

[RainingAmoeba79]

LOL they should make a SIM tour...... I want one! I heard it was realllly fun, but I was not around for TS3

[tonedawg1]

i dont mind them its just for 53 in speed they get to as many balls as i do with 70+ speed

[maderer]

i dont mind them its just for 53 in speed they get to as many balls as i do with 70+ speed

Very true. They need to degrade more when stats are low in any category. Having 40ish speed players chase down balls like Nadal is so lame.

[RainingAmoeba79]

exactly, speed needs to be a BIT more influenial.

[dsavbeast012]

Wasn't part of the reason for banning TI/MD (not the main reason) that everyone used it too much? If that's the case then the only logical and fair thing would be either banning cps/ir since everyone is using it now or allowing ti/md coaches back in to diversify things. but as of now itst is boring to me bc of everyone just maxing power and minimizing speed since it's irrelevant.

[Enummievol]

Wasn't part of the reason for banning TI/MD (not the main reason) that everyone used it too much? If that's the case then the only logical and fair thing would be either banning cps/ir since everyone is using it now or allowing ti/md coaches back in to diversify things. but as of now itst is boring to me bc of everyone just maxing power and minimizing speed since it's irrelevant.

As far as i know , the only reason that ti/md got banned is because md is overpowered, any coach including md is banned, so there's no reason for cps/ir to be banned as long as one of these skills affect the gameplay balance in a bad way. Am i right?

[ray237]

I'm a good serve and volley player (just joined itst, but in wt i was 3rd) and lots of times a got passed when i touch the line with a volley and the opp with 90+ power just runs (with a **** low speed) and does a reach crossed powerful shot.
Or sometimes the opp abuses of his diesel hard hitter ability and makes an impossible lob just holding the button to make it a power shot.
Being a s&v player can be frustrating because you loose most of the points in stupid, cheesy and repetitive ways and we are the only style that absolutely need variety (instead of serve&closebygroundstroke 90 power players), otherwise you loose your serve.
There are lots of methods to counter a s&v players during they serving games. Even if you're loosing the point, you just need to hit a low and slow balln and the s&v opp won't close the point. When he's serving you just need to hit a control shot down the line to make him doing a reach volley and then close the point. If he reads your mind and covers that space, you just have to hit a powerful (if you have 70+ pow) or control cross shot and you'll do the same.
The only strength we s&v players have is that we are just a few, so the opp probably won't expect to meet us and doesn't know the tactic to beat us.
This need a fix. I'm sick of meeting the same stupid godly setups and see that your opp is playing at my level but he doesn't know what's tennis and/or how to play. Even a 5 years old child could win just serving and hitting powerful shots making the opp moving everywhere just waiting to close the point.
Hoping the patch will balance these things.
Some strokes are impossible and too powerful, and it's too easy to hit the lateral lines, even with 70- strokes.

[Rocketsfall]

I'm a good serve and volley player (just joined itst, but in wt i was 3rd) and lots of times a got passed when i touch the line with a volley and the opp with 90+ power just runs (with a **** low speed) and does a reach crossed powerful shot.
Or sometimes the opp abuses of his diesel hard hitter ability and makes an impossible lob just holding the button to make it a power shot.
Being a s&v player can be frustrating because you loose most of the points in stupid, cheesy and repetitive ways and we are the only style that absolutely need variety (instead of serve&closebygroundstroke 90 power players), otherwise you loose your serve.
There are lots of methods to counter a s&v players during they serving games. Even if you're loosing the point, you just need to hit a low and slow balln and the s&v opp won't close the point. When he's serving you just need to hit a control shot down the line to make him doing a reach volley and then close the point. If he reads your mind and covers that space, you just have to hit a powerful (if you have 70+ pow) or control cross shot and you'll do the same.
The only strength we s&v players have is that we are just a few, so the opp probably won't expect to meet us and doesn't know the tactic to beat us.
This need a fix. I'm sick of meeting the same stupid godly setups and see that your opp is playing at my level but he doesn't know what's tennis and/or how to play. Even a 5 years old child could win just serving and hitting powerful shots making the opp moving everywhere just waiting to close the point.
Hoping the patch will balance these things.
Some strokes are impossible and too powerful, and it's too easy to hit the lateral lines, even with 70- strokes.

I agree with most of what you say there. But it's a shame you explain how your (our) style can be beaten.

[safe_as_milk_]

The only strength we s&v players have is that we are just a few, so the opp probably won't expect to meet us and doesn't know the tactic to beat us.

i've been playing some s&v in world tour over the last few days and it's mostly been great fun (it almost feels like a different game), but this is spot on. i've played a few players with decent records/ranks who've just had absolutely no answer to it but if someone knows how to defeat it it's a different beast. Against WT randoms the first set is always so much easier than the second as they start figuring it out. Just played a TI/MD guy who has a lifetime record of 57/2 and it drove me mad. i took the first set comfortably 3-1, then in the second i held serve easily and pushed him to deuce in all of his games. then he suddenly decided that lob returning was the way to go and being a new serve volleyer i wasn't used to it and ended up losing the tiebreak and then the super tie break. Damn.