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Postby badman1126 » Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:02

VILARCANE wrote:nice girlies badman, especially the second one judging from the picture...
you should have aged davenport a little more.
Williams is pretty easy to do with the preset female afro faces, but still looks nice !

keep up the good work, you inspired me to try and do a female player too for a change :wink:

as for the tutos, it'll take some time, since i haven't figured out how to get the nadal i have in mind yet...but i am getting close, and then i'll make a proper tuto...


Thanks :p

I was trying to make a young Lindsay (when she was all fat and chubby :lol:) Thats why I didnt age her as much :p
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Postby Otlichno » Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:10

Tatiana Nasri!!?? :lol:
Work me a boss.
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Postby petrelli83 » Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:45

Otlichno wrote:Tatiana Nasri!!?? :lol:


golovin :lol:
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Postby SturmPodolski » Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:17

That's great VILACARNE!

Thanks ;)

I can't wait for this tuto:D

Do we have a good Djokovic???
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Postby VILARCANE » Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:35

no we don't have a good djokovic, you can try, there is one i did early one, a pic is in the thread somewhere, but nothing special...

Important tips and tricks for player creation :
1 - Start with the body and tennis style : i strongly suggest this, since you might get so thrilled with your new creation that you end up going to the save / general information screen and save without updating it, which would be a shame, huh ? (happened to me btw)
2 - Don't overdo body mass : start with a moderate preset, then work from there but it is better to actually double check your player does not look to fat/muscular vs thin/skinny before you save, you can really ruin a good CAP there, ask gemini who once did a quarterback tsonga.
- I usually go for a build 2, fat 2, muscle 6 for the average player, then build 1, fat 2, muscle 3 for the skinny one, and build 3, muscle 7 for the muscular type.
- Remember a good way to check on the muscles is to go to tattoo and check head/arm/legs and get the feel...
- Of course, you can adjust with the neck type, especially useful for players with a high neck like Nadal or Soderling for instance. The same goes here : don't overdo it or you will have the feeling you play with a girafe, so max +2-3 to the neck default, or -2 if you wanna make a more sturdy or muscular type (like Agassi for instance)
3 - Tennis style is very important too, since having the right strokes and serve is of paramount importance for the in-game feel. Watch a youtube video or two before you start chosing, if you do not try to recreate run of the mill pros like nadal (all his trademark moves are in the game, like B backhand, E forehand and F serve, if i remember correctly though...
Knowing that tsonga has a very agassian type of serve for instance and you'll know what's best.
That does not mean you are going to be overly competitive with him though, since some strokes are in my experience a bit harder to time, i mean when you play trigger free like i do.
And i consider myself a pretty decent mover and sim player, just ask GOA or Djarvik who met my soderling a few months back ;o)
4 - Facial traits :
- Chosing the preset is of the essence, i usually start with the inverted cap one (2 to the left) for spanish type pros, then the kiddie looking brush haired blondie and the muscular irish looking red haired one for the rest of them...
- Always start with the hairtype / color and shave, thus you will have the right proportions when you start editing, you could start with the bald type 'cause it gives a - cleaner shot at the face, but if it doesn't match with the haircut, you won't be able to render your beloved pro properly.
Only a half of the male haircuts can be used to do nice looking pros IMO, and i curse PAM for not having a federer like cut in the game !
- Chose the skin tone then, and make sure the preset you chose actually have the skin tone available : if you start with an afro preset, you won't be able to do a pale soderling with it, since even skin tone 1 is brownish at best.
Use a picture if you have one (i never do, i work from visual memory)
- Start experimenting with ALL traits before you start sculpting (forehead is very important there), once you think you got the proportions about right, then browse through different complexion to get the right 3D touch on the face. Complexion can make a really big difference if you ask me, my Moya and Ferrero are good examples i guess. You might end up trying to do one pro and magically getting the rough of another one !
- Once you start sculpting, you are entering the most difficult and frustrating phase of your artwork, since almost every point you move will move the others, sometimes erratically and always without your consent !
- So act in little touches, undo if you are going in the wrong direction, and keep cool !
- Start with the eyes, once you got the eyes right (and you might never get them right), go to the nose, then mouth and chin in the end...
- Do not forget to press rb and work extensively from the side view since your player will mostly be portrayed from the side / 3/4 angle in-game, so it helps a lot if "profile" is spot on, which is easier since you do not get to see the eyes.
- Adjust what is necessary and then got out of sculpt and zoom dezoom to see if the face looks good from afar, which is always a pretty good indication of the end result
REMEMBER THE GOLDEN RULE : NEVER EVER CHANGE ANY FACIAL TRAIT PRESET (like going from chin 2 to 3) AFTER SCULPTING, unless you wanna mess everything. This is too me the biggest flaw of this editor, since you need to have every single trait in place and have no second chance once you start sculpting (only shape seems to be rather forgiving when you change it)
- Oh and once your finished and you see the player snapshot for the first time, don't be shocked, just a bug, go to the mall, exit, and you'll be looking good again !

I hope it helps, i will now try to come up with one decent in-depth tutos with pictures...

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Postby SturmPodolski » Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:50

Thanks for this VILACARNE ;)

I tried it so many times, and the result was every time the same ^^

I will try your tuto ;)

THANKS!!!
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Postby driggonny » Tue, 08 Jun 2010 18:41

I am going to make Kei Nishikori and I was wondering if someone could give me advice on how to make an asian looking player? And I was wondering if someone knew some good stats for him. The only thing I know for certain would be that his serve is not that good. I hope this was the right place to ask.
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Postby VILARCANE » Tue, 08 Jun 2010 19:09

the asian presets (scroll right) are pretty good from the get go, you can get a KN pretty easily from there, i tried a Chang once for fun, not that difficult to get a lookalike, really...

upon trying to do the tutorials, i realize it is immensely difficult to track all edited points (on nadal for instance, it is a nightmare, since you are always undoing the wrong and finetuning to get somewhat close to the real deal).
So i need to find the good recipe from the get go, to limit the sculpting, just to let you know it might take a while, but i am working on it...
Kind of an impossible mission though :roll:
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Postby VILARCANE » Tue, 08 Jun 2010 19:16

the easiest would be for me to record a quick movie and upload it on megaupload for you to get...
i have only 7 min playtime on my digital camera though, so i'd need to be quick as hell, that's a nice challenge though, and would be funnier for you to behold and copy than a bunch of lifeless screens...

BTW, if there are european (for the lag) xbox 360 that would like to play a sim friendly match with reasonably skilled players (i mean no more than two 90s), private msg your GT.
What i mean by sim is like the games we play with Gemini, you know the "bounce the ball on serve, grant your opponent some replays, don't skip through the match, hold your horses on the trigger kind of enjoyable match" :wink:

Anyway, back to work...
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Postby SturmPodolski » Tue, 08 Jun 2010 19:23

Uploading a video with your pictures is a good idea ;)

Can you tell us how many time the recipe for Nadal will take?
I can wait, there's no problem ;) Take your time to make it close to him :D

I would also present some players, but like I told you...i'm not good in it^^

Normally, I don't do this...it's not the aim of a community that one or two work and the rest profits^^

When I have more time, I will try your tuto for player creator Vilacarne.

Thanks ;)
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Postby driggonny » Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:22

Thanks for responding Vilcarne :D I'll definitely use your well detailed tips and tricks for when I create nishikori
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Postby VILARCANE » Wed, 09 Jun 2010 09:18

Been working on the videos ill be doing two or 3: one for the generics one dedicated to sculpting and maybe a third one with the pro in action. It is gonna be easy for you to pause the vid and sculpt step by step then post ur pics for all to behold :shock:
itll be in QuickTime format on megaupload for best quality ill post links when i am done with the first one which might be nadal or another easier one for you and me :wink:
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Postby SturmPodolski » Wed, 09 Jun 2010 12:57

That's cool ;)

Thanks!!!
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Postby VILARCANE » Wed, 09 Jun 2010 23:18

I have tried a few vids with Nadal and came to the conclusion that it is nearly impossible to do a full tuto in 7 minutes time, so i'll keep that for later, sorry for nadal fanatics out there !

In the meantime, i have done a tuto that will allow you to do my Moya (see pics below) without too extensive sculpting.
As you will see, there is still some !
I have checked him in game, but i'll let you comment if you are among the patient ones that will try it out.
He is still a spanish player and a former number 1 too, and i very often play with my first and second moyas :wink:

My vid is a bit cut on the left side (i am no movie director :oops: ) so i'll put the cut parts in writing (body), but you will still have to follow the sculpting on screen step by step if you don't wanna mess it up (sure, you can add your own creativity or refine certain details if you use a picture, which i don't, but be cautious !)

Here is the link to the video :
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9PM8ETI1
when i uploaded, the link was yet active, i hope it will be when you try it

Carlos Moya
27/08/1976
PoB : Palma de Mallorca
Residence : Palma de Mallorca
Recipe :
Preset : spanish with inverted cap (see vid if any doubt)
Face preset : top left corner

for the missing parts,everything else being in the tuto movie :

Body :
build : 1
fat : 1
muscle : 5
neck : 11

for the rest, follow the vid and enjoy !
you will still need to work to get following gear, which look great on him, but of course you can go for more realistic gear, suit yourself :
i personally use sleeveless top 10 (page 13/41 global store) and either tiny shorts or 3/4 pants men (or nike capri pants) in white (page 20 for 3/4 pants)
I'll let you chose the racket and shoes/socks accordingly...

I'll let you do the 5min stat trick to 70 (see tuto on the forum if you need)
Enjoy, it will be worth your while, and meet you on the virtual court someday soon
pictures with shave 2 color 7, but you'd better go for shave 1/stubble 4 at first since moya isnt really the hairy type...

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I sincerely hope Moya like Ferrero will make some kind of a come-back, i know he is 33, but he does not deserve his 500th+ rank i guess
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Postby Gemini » Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:27

@ Vilarcane @ > ask gemini who once did a quarterback tsonga.


Tell me about that it was a nightmare but I corrected him didnt I
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