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Postby Rob ITST » Tue, 05 May 2009 17:24

Djarvik, you should use your Dent against Joe's Agassi - it's my definition of Hell. He knows how to play against serve and volley, and his character is probably perfect for it. He makes it hard to hit good volleys, and makes you pay if you don't.
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Postby Andymachine » Tue, 05 May 2009 17:24

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jayl0ve wrote:Rob is very difficult to pass at the net. Almost impossible. I think if you're one of those people who doesn't use risk shots, you're absolutely screwed.


about serve volley player in ts3,the decision where win the point, falls in the first 2 shoots-. so i find this ways
you can risk return and hold him at the baseline.
or you returns save and than risk or lob or passshoot.
or a slice, but slice not work well by me.
latest after the second volley you need the point.
for me is in moment nearly impossible to riskreturn robs superserve permanent.
i think nobody can riskreturn rob every time.


I find slice works quite well...
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Postby djarvik » Tue, 05 May 2009 17:36

Rob ITST wrote:Djarvik, you should use your Dent against Joe's Agassi - it's my definition of Hell. He knows how to play against serve and volley, and his character is probably perfect for it. He makes it hard to hit good volleys, and makes you pay if you don't.


I will do that. I know what Joe does :wink: When we played yesterday, which BTW was very enjoyable, I did the same. Just not on Break Points or Tie Breaks. :lol:

I will try playing Joe tonight. See what he can do against my mighty Dent. For some reason this Dent hits the hardest out of all my characters, and serves the hardest....just feels he puts more weight on the ball.

@Andymachine - Slices will not work. It is a gimme for SV player. They work against an "occasional" viollier, but are useless against a hardcore SV player. At least that is what I find.
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Postby Andymachine » Tue, 05 May 2009 17:41

djarvik wrote:
Rob ITST wrote:Djarvik, you should use your Dent against Joe's Agassi - it's my definition of Hell. He knows how to play against serve and volley, and his character is probably perfect for it. He makes it hard to hit good volleys, and makes you pay if you don't.


I will do that. I know what Joe does :wink: When we played yesterday, which BTW was very enjoyable, I did the same. Just not on Break Points or Tie Breaks. :lol:

I will try playing Joe tonight. See what he can do against my mighty Dent. For some reason he hits the hardest out of all my characters, and serves the hardest....just feels he puts more weight on the ball.

@Andymachine - Slices will not work. It is a gimme for SV player. They work against an "occasional" viollier, but are useless against a hardcore SV player. At least that is what I find.


It depends how u slice and how much you use it i guess, but it does work for me sometimes : )
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Postby picachu211 » Tue, 05 May 2009 17:43

No one is unbreakable.
A certain shot does not work every time.
And there is more than one solution to a question.
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Postby GOA MASTER MDMA » Tue, 05 May 2009 17:44

Andymachine wrote:
callofduty44 wrote:
jayl0ve wrote:Rob is very difficult to pass at the net. Almost impossible. I think if you're one of those people who doesn't use risk shots, you're absolutely screwed.


about serve volley player in ts3,the decision where win the point, falls in the first 2 shoots-. so i find this ways
you can risk return and hold him at the baseline.
or you returns save and than risk or lob or passshoot.
or a slice, but slice not work well by me.
latest after the second volley you need the point.
for me is in moment nearly impossible to riskreturn robs superserve permanent.
i think nobody can riskreturn rob every time.


I find slice works quite well...



yes,possible that slice will work. i have only a problem to play offense slice, i only play slice when i play defense.so i never really test it out about a serve volley player.maybe a fault from me.
in theorie i know what is to do,but to figure it out,or to bring this in a match,without errors is the hard part :wink:
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Postby Andymachine » Tue, 05 May 2009 17:46

picachu211 wrote:No one is unbreakable.
A certain shot does not work every time.
And there is more than one solution to a question.


Exactly .. thats why i feel its best not to use the one "solution" to regularly , i find sometimes there are more than one solution and when u mix those solutions well enough they do produce results :)
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Postby Vieira151 » Tue, 05 May 2009 19:56

played Pocho today in a friendly.

i used my Hewitt and he used his normal character(cant remember the name :lol:) which was 3x90

He won 6-7 6-2 7-6, and guess what! i was serving it out in the third set again and i failed :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

he played an awesome 2nd set, the stats tell it all. in the second set I hit 11 winners and 0 unforced errors and he still broke me twice :(

i noticed he doesnt short slice it after every serve, but after some serves and even then some are long, some are short. He uses it like a chip and charge after his own serve. i still managed to break him twice :lol: :lol: although he broke me back later :oops: :oops:
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Postby djarvik » Tue, 05 May 2009 20:02

i noticed he doesnt short slice it after every serve, but after some serves and even then some are long, some are short.


Great to hear! Hopefully he can take that verity to an ITST match. LOL

Funny enough, the first time I played him in friendly, that was the case.....but second time when in ITST tourney, he decided to double up and shorten his slice. :lol:

He is more then capable of winning without resorting to this tactics.

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Postby Vieira151 » Tue, 05 May 2009 20:07

ive only ever played one match with him that wasnt 3 sets :lol: :lol: :lol: he won that won 6-2 6-1 but i was using a very duff char...

in 2 of the 3 three set matches we have played i have been serving it out at either 5-4 or 5-3 in the 3rd, but i just cant win :cry: :cry:
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Postby jayl0ve » Tue, 05 May 2009 20:28

picachu211 wrote:No one is unbreakable.
A certain shot does not work every time.
And there is more than one solution to a question.


I agree completely. It's impossible to reduce tennis strategy to a single shot like "oh just try slicing the ball", or 'don't use slice against him', or what the hell ever.. Not gonna work nor does it even make sense. Anything can work against anybody at any given time and anything can become immediately ineffective at any time. Don't know if any of that made any sense but I agree with you picachu and I know exactly what you mean.
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Postby GOA MASTER MDMA » Tue, 05 May 2009 20:57

its for me a normally generelly thing that you must mix your shoots in TS 3. you cant play every time sam shoot.maybe about stupid players that will work.but not about about a medium intelligent player or a pro
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Postby picachu211 » Tue, 05 May 2009 21:24

jayl0ve wrote:
picachu211 wrote:No one is unbreakable.
A certain shot does not work every time.
And there is more than one solution to a question.


I agree completely. It's impossible to reduce tennis strategy to a single shot like "oh just try slicing the ball", or 'don't use slice against him', or what the hell ever.. Not gonna work nor does it even make sense. Anything can work against anybody at any given time and anything can become immediately ineffective at any time. Don't know if any of that made any sense but I agree with you picachu and I know exactly what you mean.


Yeah, I know, I have been talking all the time tennis is a percentage game.
You try different things each time, you win some and you lose some.
You string a few points in a row, then you have a game.
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Postby coke4 » Wed, 06 May 2009 20:21

i just played Pocho_89 using sim players and i won 6-3 6-1.
i got broke 1st game in set, i managed to get to 0-30 on his serve but he held for 2-0, i then had save 3 b.p in the next game but held for 2-1, then i broke him back to love for 2-2, then held till 4-3, on his serve at 3-3 was the longest game in the match, i had many B.P but finally took it after like 5 mins of play in that game with a BH down the line. i served it out but he took me to duece.

I broke next set and held confidently for 2-0 he got 2-1 but i broke then for 4-1. when i had a sloppy game but still held for 5-1 i then broke him for a 6-1 2nd set.

Stats

i got 86 % 1st serve in, him 78. i won 67% on 1st serve him 40%.
Me 58% 2nd serve him 59%
Me 2 aces and 0 D.F, him 1 ace 1 D.F. Me 32 winners him 30, me 4 Unforced errors him 21.
I took 5/11 break points him 1/8.
i won 70 points him 44.
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Postby GOA MASTER MDMA » Wed, 06 May 2009 21:35

4 unforced errors is a good stat by 70 winner :wink:
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