Rogers Cup MSS

[Andymachine]

The thing u will learn on here Riley m8 is that if u beat someone they 99 percent gonna congratulate u on psn but accept it for just that , cos u dont know those people just like i dont know you , ive learrned over the months to take what a lot of people say on here with more than a grain of salt , just enjoy winning, the way iam now if people dont like my game so fxxxn what lol as long as u sticking to the rules no problem

[djarvik]

....I just felt I was "blacked mailed" into submission, since I have less time to play then my opponent. If match was going smoothly, then so be it.....but the time was lost to disconnects and lag. Hence, I asked for a Coin-toss. Which to me was completely reasonable.

Riley, just because you won first set, doesn't mean you would win the match. In fact, far from it. Check my record from 1 set down. Confidence is good, but don't let it grow into arrogance.

Also, don't you for a second think that "tactic" discovered by you recently is new and somehow "improved" you. We have all been there done that. I can serve from default position and go wide 99% of the time as well, I can short risk slice after serves way better then you, I can short risk slice during rally to generate points with the best(or worst) of them and god knows if I try my best I can risk return you off the court as well. But this is not how I choose to play and this is why I play SIM and not 40-90. Just know, what you call "improvement" 99% of ITST will simply disregard as cheap.

But Andy right, do what you want. The thing is, the way I see it, we don't have prizes here, nothing physical to take home....all we have is each other.....all you win by getting a title is "Respect" or "Lack of it" from fellow members. Think about it.

Now to the match. I couldn't care less about your tactics and would happily lose to you..... but I had to leave the house. The right thing to do was either a coin toss, or to finish a match later, another day. Since I am the host of this tournament, and I want it finished by the end of the weekend (hopefully), so other players (including you) would get correct seeding at US Open, I suggested we decide this by coin toss. It was your right to refuse, which you did, thus getting a retirement out of me for lack of time to finish. (I should have requested that set replayed as well? right? like you did with Brgrfilpr?)

Next time, if we disconnect a few times....I rather give you a WO. I wont be blacked mailed into retirement again by someone who has more time to play then me. 1 hour and 15 min for 1 set is way to excessive, considering less then half of it was actual playing time.

[brgerflipr]

i would'nt listen to brgerflipr anyway, when i beat him after changing tactics he congratulated me by saying how well i played and the level of improvement ive made, i then played the next round match 10 mins after with calvkln i beat him useing the same tactics he then messaged me complaining about my tactics which is fair enough but the message said that brger warned him of my style and tactics was cheap

Listen friend, I may be a lot of things...... too old for video games, talk/type too much, difficult to set up matches with.......but one thing I am not, in real life or online...is "two-faced". I take offense to that. I don't need to be two-faced. Why? Because this is the internet, we can say, do, be, whatever we want. I choose to be honest.

You PM'd me a while back asking me why I said some things on the forums because you thought I was talking about you. You also asked why I talked to Calvkln about you. I explained it to you privately, I thought that was enough. Obviously not.

When I lost to you, the one time I've lost to you, I used Bucci. I didn't even expect to win. The only players who are good w/ him are Maximo, Otlichno & Nito. When I lost, I messaged you "gg" and congratulated you. You whipped my ***. I admit that.

Calvkln asked me afterwards what the match was like. I told him the truth.......wide serves, followed by risk-slice. Double trigger returns. Effective, but not very fun. Cheap? In my opinion, yes. I said that to Calvkln, I also said it to you in PM. Uh last time I checked, that is not the definition of two-faced.

[brgerflipr]

we don't have prizes here, nothing physical to take home....all we have is each other.....all you win by getting a title is "Respect" or "Lack of it" from fellow members. Think about it.

Very well said. That should be added to quotes of the year. He's right guys, all we have is one another and our respect. So many good players now, you can't win a title everytime, but you can win (or lose) respect w/ every match.

Coke, "all we have is eachother". I'm requesting one of your pictures please.........

[maximo]

brgerflipr two faced? No, at all.
Win the first set against djarvik means win the match? No, at all.

[riley108]

u talk so much sxxt, i never wide serve 99% of the time i mix up to the body and down the tape, people just notice the wide serve coz it hard to get to, and djarvik u did try to risk return me off the court after i broke your serve and it was not working a coin toss is for people who cannot connect at all, if you had asked to replay the match another day i would of accepted and i'm not a blackmailer i like work for the match not get WO or players retiring... u all think what u want i dont relally care. brger beat me earlier in week after a bad disconnect game did i come on the forum slating him off? NOOOOOOOOO, SO DROP IT

[marlonbrando91]

Personnaly, its not a trial.But i remember that we were opposed (riley)in a first round few weeks ago, without i know that.In fact,you have created a new account for play with a false name, and tells me after match something "im great new on itst..."

And i will discover later that you were riley.No Problem.

Actually, the most important is the game.
There is such great players here.The tournaments can be really fun.Battle of game styles, great rallies, make the pleasure.

Here, this is a video game.A world group of players who whant share good moments.Peace.

[Andymachine]

[quote="djarvik"]....0
But Andy right, do what you want. The thing is, the way I see it, we don't have prizes here, nothing physical to take home....all we have is each other.....all you win by getting a title is "Respect" or "Lack of it" from fellow members. Think about it.

Dont get me wrong i am totally against tactics like serving outwide then suddenly cheap risk slicing , all i was saying to Reily was not to take the "bitchiness" too seriously and as long as everyone plays within rules which are decent then itl be fair and fun for all , cos as u say anyone can serve and short slice but it is cheezy 100 percent

[riley108]

andy i remeber not long ago evryone was complaining about your game but i played you i had no problem with that its just your style and u was good at it, u changed because of other people bitching at u then u lost matches why? i enjoyed playing your risky game coz u was good at it and it was a real challenge, i do use short slice after serve but only occasionally,,BUT U KNOW WHAT GUYS IF IT STOPS THE BITCHING I'M NOT GONA USE RISK RETURN ANYMORE AND NO MORE SHORT SLICE SO MAXIMO U SHOULD HAVE AN EASY SF MATCH AGAINST ME,, marlon your a great player 1 of the few i cannot beat i have all respect for your game plan..... but again i dont serve out wide 99% of the time that make me too predictable, IN THE ROGERS CUP MSS IVE BEATEN SOME VERY GD PLAYERS LIKE BRGER CALVKLN AND DJARVIK (PARTLY),, AND NOW I GO INTO MY SF WITH MAXIMO WHO IVE NEVER BEATEN HAVING TO REVERT TO MY PREVIOUS GAME PLANS WHICH NEVER WORKED AGAINST MAXIMO.....SO THANX GUYS AND THE US OPEN WILL PROB BE MY LAST TOURNAMENT ON ITST ITS LIKE PLAYING A BUNCH OF GIRLS ON HERE EXCEPT A CERTAIN FEW,,LONEMAR MARLON ANDY ETC

[brgerflipr]

Listen Riley, I don't think people want to see you leave. ITST wouldn't grow if everyone just quit because of a few arguments. I think people are are just trying to help you grow and mature as a tour member. But you have to learn from what others are saying and not be so defensive. The tour needs good players like you. And yes, you are a good player.......a very good player. You just don't need to play w/ all that "other stuff". Play for fun & for respect, not just to win.

Since he's one of the few you seem to like, take Andy for example. Most people don't like his style. I don't like his style. But he is beloved on tour & very well respected. Why? Cuz he treats everyone w/ respect and plays just for fun. I've seen him give WO's & coin-tosses just because of a little lag.

[Andymachine]

Listen Riley, I don't think people want to see you leave. ITST wouldn't grow if everyone just quit because of a few arguments. I think people are are just trying to help you grow and mature as a tour member. But you have to learn from what others are saying and not be so defensive. The tour needs good players like you. And yes, you are a good player.......a very good player. You just don't need to play w/ all that "other stuff". Play for fun & for respect, not just to win.

Since he's one of the few you seem to like, take Andy for example. Most people don't like his style. I don't like his style. But he is beloved on tour & very well respected. Why? Cuz he treats everyone w/ respect and plays just for fun. I've seen him give WO's & coin-tosses just because of a little lag.

totally agree with u burgrflipr , a lot of us have styles others dont like but we just gotta remember the fun aspect of the game , id say the only time the fun is taken out when someone deliberately makes play impossible i.e serve then short slice haha but nobody wants u to leave

[alex13090]

oh man i hadn't seen this topic

[djarvik]

for the record dear Riley, wide serving was used purelly as an example. No need to defend, I know you are not doing it all the time.

In fact, if you just stop short slicing and 99% double risk returning you will be golden.

And I have never tried to risk you of the court, I usually use either non-risk or L2 returns. Non risk if I feel I can reach your weak side and get a rally going and L2 when I get beat by 1-2 punches. Double risk I reserve usually for later in the match, and even then if I connect or miss a few, I stop. I know it can be extreemly effective...but sorry, not with you. You missed 8 out of 10 and broke me because of 1 short risk slice that drew me to net followed by another risk slice passing shot, then a double fault from me, then a rally won fair and sqaure by you. Then we had another disconect....once we reached 30-40 and resumed the game, you hit that golden double risk finally, to break.

Don't boast, you are good player, but you have no idea how a few well timed short slices can win you a match. Most matches get decided by these few important points.

Lots of players, including me had to go thru some kind of critisizm, it's normal, we are a community, with certain values in common. You liked what you saw when you joined? Well? Then help us preserve it. So we all can keep enjoying it.

[riley108]

ive got the picture but i dont miss 8 out of 10 double trigger returns i'll try my best to save these sort of shots for tie breaks etc, same as the short slice, i think i have been useing this shot lately because its a new shot ive found if its that chessy i'll stop brger djarvik sorry for any offence i may of caused and next we meet djarvik if its bad connection again i'll retire

[Vieira151]

:lol: for the record dear Riley, wide serving was used purelly as an example. No need to defend, I know you are not doing it all the time.

In fact, if you just stop short slicing and 99% double risk returning you will be golden.

And I have never tried to risk you of the court, I usually use either non-risk or L2 returns. Non risk if I feel I can reach your weak side and get a rally going and L2 when I get beat by 1-2 punches. Double risk I reserve usually for later in the match, and even then if I connect or miss a few, I stop. I know it can be extreemly effective...but sorry, not with you. You missed 8 out of 10 and broke me because of 1 short risk slice that drew me to net followed by another risk slice passing shot, then a double fault from me, then a rally won fair and sqaure by you. Then we had another disconect....once we reached 30-40 and resumed the game, you hit that golden double risk finally, to break.

Don't boast, you are good player, but you have no idea how a few well timed short slices can win you a match. Most matches get decided by these few important points.

Lots of players, including me had to go thru some kind of critisizm, it's normal, we are a community, with certain values in common. You liked what you saw when you joined? Well? Then help us preserve it. So we all can keep enjoying it.

I dont recall ever getting criticism from anyone cept from myself That's probably cause no one ever got annoyed at beating me

And i always stay out these argmuments. You know why? People can do what they want in matches. I decided against ever playing friendlies vs these people. When i play them in tour matches? If i'm not doing well playing my own tactics i'll resort to their tactics. Ill get bored and throw a few double risks everynow and then. Just to get the match over with. No need to complain about anyone.
Respect their way of playing, that is all that is needed. A GG and maybe "your wide serves are really good!" or "your short slice is deadly!" and thats it. Over with. Go play someone you like time. Play how you want, whether others like it or not.