How to serve outwide???

[Ali-Iqb93]

When I serve using L2 R2 slice button my outwide serve speed is only 193 kmh with serve stat 80xp and power stat 90 xp... But most of the other players serve the same way and their speeds are like 210 kmh.. Even wen I serve with analogue my slice serve speed is poor... Is it that different remotes have different effects on slice serve.. I use sixaxis controller but I ve heard that madcatz controller have more slice serve speed than sixaxis... I lose most of my matches BCz my opponents serve a powerful slice and get an open court to hit a winner after that serve... which I m unable to do and don't find any chance to break their serve.... Plzz help me out

[maximo]

is not possible serve a slice at 210km/h , with 90 serve and 90 power u can serve a slice around 195-198 km/h. and if u want break their service in MS tour u have to risk some returns.

[JJ_DUBZ_87]

Do you find risk returning easy max? I'm still trying to get used to the timing on regular returns...

[Ali-Iqb93]

Okk then my mistake but still seems that their slice is powerful than me

[maximo]

risk returning is very very easy, and Ali, your problem is not the power, , probably is that you aren't a good returner, in MS you have to anticipate when u are returning , anyway is not easy break the service if your rival's stats are 80s and 90s, so 99% of the times you'll play the tie break.

[ELTXETXU]

Maximo, do you really think that risk return is very very easy?? tell me how!!!! Well, that (among others) is the reason why you are 2nd in MS's rank and i´m 40th...hehehe. Congratulations men, and i hope to play with you soon!

[djarvik]

Risk return is the same as regular return, just with the trigger.

Why people think there is "some-kind-of-magic"?

If you time regular returns well, then you will time risk returns well. If your timing is bad, no amount of "magic" will help.

Returns is first about anticipation, then timing. No tricks.

[ELTXETXU]

Risk return is the same as regular return, just with the trigger.

Why people think there is "some-kind-of-magic"?

If you time regular returns well, then you will time risk returns well. If your timing is bad, no amount of "magic" will help.

Returns is first about anticipation, then timing. No tricks.

Yes i know!! My really problem with the return is timing. I have a good serve, forehand and backhand timing, but return drives me crazy. I don´t know how to improve it!

However, i think that i will concentrate my efforts on TopSpin4!!

[maximo]

Yes, i've played with u some matches and your timing is pretty good, and yes, the big diference in MS is the return, there are a lot of players like you, mibraunfels, Apathetically, ... with good timing, just need anticipate a bit returning and you could be a top players. i'm curiosity for seeing how will be return in TS4.

[Ali-Iqb93]

yea i think i m a bad returner.. i m now working to improve my risk returns... hope returning serves r much easier in TS4

[Ali-Iqb93]

some days before in an itst match with ELTXETXU...... we had an awesome 1st set tiebreak of 15-17 points... i lost it after coming several times on set point because of poor returns.. and after that tiebreak i was thnking that i m gonna kill ELTXETXU.... hahaha ELTXETXU dont mind it but u really made me to bash your face out of u haha......

[ELTXETXU]

some days before in an itst match with ELTXETXU...... we had an awesome 1st set tiebreak of 15-17 points... i lost it after coming several times on set point because of poor returns.. and after that tiebreak i was thnking that i m gonna kill ELTXETXU.... hahaha ELTXETXU dont mind it but u really made me to bash your face out of u haha......

Hahahaha, yeah, it was a hard tie break, and a hard match!! Sorry bro.

[Ali-Iqb93]

Haha its ok dude... Even if I lost but I really enjoyed that match..

[JJ_DUBZ_87]

Risk return is the same as regular return, just with the trigger.

Why people think there is "some-kind-of-magic"?

If you time regular returns well, then you will time risk returns well. If your timing is bad, no amount of "magic" will help.

Returns is first about anticipation, then timing. No tricks.

The issue isn't "how" to risk-return... naturally it's with the trigger as is any other risk shot. What boggles me is the whole timing thing to begin with.

The problem to me stems from the academy, they say "great!!...Excellent!!" and then you go play a match and you get spanked and/or your shots fly out. Yes, it's the timing that's the key, but the academy is ultimately a waste of time in that regard because you can't get that real match-play scenario.

My question to the "better" players, how do you gauge the return timing? I'm just curious to know how the "pro's" of ITST do it...

[djarvik]

My question to the "better" players, how do you gauge the return timing? I'm just curious to know how the "pro's" of ITST do it...

Gosh man!

I think I fit into "better" players category?

All you have to do is time. As I have been saying. You are over-thinking it by a lot.

If you can return the ball with no risk and time it well, then you can do it with risk.

Assume a return position, wait till the opponent throws the ball up, press the desired risk trigger or both, press the desired button, watch where the ball goes, move to the ball, release the shot button.

Yes, it is that easy.

What is not easy is to react on time and release on time. And there is no tricks to "go around" that. It is simply your skill of pushing and releasing buttons, along with your ability to "judge" from previous few serves where the next one coming.

That's it man.